Support for repealing Obamacare plunges to an all time low.

You seriously read that post from Deckard and the first thing you thought was "he wishes I didn't return from Iraq?" I think 99.9% of others that read that post knew damn well that he meant return to the board. If that's really your first reaction, you got issues.

 

The problem is that Republicans do hate minorities, do not care about the environment and really only care about big business.

Democrats don't care about the rich, don't care about big business and have a natural desire to over regulate.

Just own it and accept it...... oh I forgot, Republican politicians view soldiers as human pinatas....

 

Nook, that post is ridiculous, with all due respect. You are using the same gigantic broad brush treeman pulled from his toolbox.

 

You forgot that Republicans kick puppies.

What a simple world you live in. If there is a "D" after their name, they are good and if there is an "R" they are evil. It must be very liberating to live in such a world.

 

Psssst..... it's "ridiculous"

 

Treeman, while you are at work you really should re-think your posts. Deckard was not wishing you ill ... past, present or future. You should care what Deckard thinks, regardless of whether you disagree or disagree vehemently. If you don't know the logic of your opposition, then you can't persuade people ultimately to join your "side."

Deckard et al and I frequently go toe to toe and tusk to tusk, but that certainly doesn't mean I don't respect him and like-minded posters. Please read what's there, not what you want to infer. It's fair to joust using your wit ... and then leaf it at that.

 

Argh! I hate doing stuff like that. I'm a terrible speller and try to hide it. Where's the edit thingy?? ;-)-

Thank you, thumbs. I hope he takes your advice to heart. Well said.

 

Yes it is... but treeman sees everything in black and white so I had to dumb it down.

 

Over regulating is good? Not caring about a group of people is good?

 

The problem is that they see posts like yours and assume that you are not only serious, but that it reflects how "everyone" who doesn't believe as they do feels the same way, and the trolls (and treeman is far from a troll, like basso, for example) gleefully post it as an example of "the madness of the Left." Seriously, it doesn't help discussion at all. Ideally, folks here would have interesting discussions about the topics of interest in D&D, without the bitter or rediculous posts we keep having to wade through. That happens here every once in a while, but far from often enough. If we all could attempt to keep the tone on a more even keel, then the actual trolls would stand out even more as being what they are, trolls, and maybe, just maybe, more rational conservatives would post more often here, and we could have actual discussions, instead of threads that are simply people yelling at each other. You know, a more civil D&D.

Just a thought.

 

I appreciate what you are saying and your point of view. I would completely agree with you if we were having a discussion with Refman, Thumbs or even Landlord Landry prior to his passing. However I have read what treeman has stated the last few two days and I have concluded that he is either a troll or that he is such an extreme that it is a lost cause. For example, look at how he has conversed with you in this thread.

If you look at my posting history I am not a lock step (D) and on the areas I do not agree with the (D)'s I am very critical of them. I have both praised President Obama and ripped him.

I do want a more civil D&D (Refman and FrancisBlade post more), however it is hard to enter a thread and see "this". Perhaps I added to it (I did), but to me it was already spoiled.

 

He didn't use to be like this, not 10 years ago. I thought then that he was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Something changed.

I've done the same with regard to the President, but remain an ardent Democrat. Far from perfect, and continuing policies from the Bush administration that I expected him to either end, or modify, but far better than the alternative.

Obviously, I've had problems with much of what I've read in this thread as well. I'm just suggesting that maybe toning down our responses will help. Maybe not with the current treeman, and the obvious trolls and their followers, but with the members on the sidelines from both sides, the people that helped make this forum fun for me before it descended into trolls creating chaos, and people "shouting" at each other.

Food for thought, Nook. -

 

Well this is an interesting twist for the beginning of the recess.

Republican Constituents Confront Congressman For Trying To Repeal Obamacare: ‘We’ve Got To Have It’

In Washington, D.C., Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) issues countless press releases boasting about his votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, insisting that his constituents in North Carolina are clamoring for relief from the law. But during a town hall in Swannanoa on Wednesday, voters confronted the five-term Congressman with an entirely different sentiment: they demanded to know why Republicans would take away the law’s protections for people with pre-existing conditions without offering any credible other alternative for reforming the health care system. One grieving mother, who spoke to reporters before the event, said that her son was denied insurance because of a pre-existing health condition and eventually died of colon cancer.

These comments forced McHenry — who had repeatedly advocated for “full repeal” of Obamcare — to admit that he does support some of its most popular provisions:

 

Excuse me if I misinterpreted what you meant, but I have become very much used to such vitriol emanating from your side of the aisle. Not generally from you (which is why you aren't just another red line to me), but from a good many liberals here.

Perhaps if such filth wasn't the norm for so many liberals here I wouldn't expect the worst.

 

Good for them. At least some of them realize that slogans aren't answers to problems. Rhetoric doesn't save you from death when you can't get insurance.

 

If I thought there was any chance of persuading anyone then I might approach things differently. But there isn't. I left a decade ago, and when I came back all the liberals were still liberals and the tiny handful of conservatives had either stopped posting or were still conservatives. No one is changing their minds because of anything that is said in D&D.

I know how the opposition thinks because I myself was once a liberal. I come from a liberal arts educational background; when I got out of college I was almost as flaming a liberal as one could be. My only real departure was that I never really thought that the country as founded was evil or wrong, which I think grounded me and allowed me to unlearn all of the complete BS that I had been force-fed in college. It took me years to understand what utter BS it all was. But I've been on the other side of the fence, I understand the thought process, the emotions, behind the liberal impulse. I get where Deckard is coming from. I also get where people like Sam Fisher are coming from. I am able to distinguish between the two types of liberal, which is why one is on ignore and the other isn't.

But I am still not going to apologize for my characterization of the Dem party as traitorous. I do firmly believe that the Dem leadership knows EXACTLY what they are doing and have a clearly defined goal, and that it involves destroying traditional America and remakiing it into something more like Europe. I believe that many liberal elites share this vision. I also believe that most of the rank and file don't understand or refuse to believe/see what's going on because it is easier to simply convince one's self that they are being compassionate, fighting for the little man, etc - all the lies that the party's leadership has fed them for the past few decades.

I don't consider that rank and file to be traitors or evil. I consider them dupes. I can't see it any other way, either.

 

Over regulating as the complaint seems pretty benign compared to not caring about the environment.

Not caring about big business (nameless and faceless monolithic entities) seems very benign compared to not caring about a group of actual people trying to eke out a living.

This is how you couched it. You can certainly see how people could infer a good vs evil from the manner in which you couched it.

 

I have yet to meet a liberal on this board or in person who wishes the deaths of American troops. I live in Massachusetts bro. I am surrounded by plenty of liberals especially in the school I attend and everyone I know respects what I did. I honestly believe that people like you create false perceptions in order to justify their hate. There is only a select few groups around the nation that are vocal about being anti troops(totally different from being anti war).

 

And one of those groups (Westboro Baptist Church) can't be confused with being "liberal"