Should Jeremy Lin be more involved in the Rocket's offense?

how about the 4 games without Harden?

 

Yes, it would be interest to see comparisons. But if you actually look hard at Patterned 's post, you'll see he actually sorted Chalmer's stats by pts he made. While OP's post showed stats showed it sorted by Lin's FGAs.
Its comparing oranges to apples?
He need to show Chalmer's stats sorted by FGA to make it a more realistic comparisons.

 

Oh look! iJHolmes showing up at another Lin thread which he supposedly hates.

Going back to the topic, I agree with the folks arguing about correlation is different from causation. That Lin shoots more is probably because he is shooting well.

Also OP should consider changing the thread title to "Should Jeremy Lin be shooting more?" because the argument presented in OP is only about the correlation between Jeremy Lin's FGA and FG%. It is not necessary about involvement.

 

So conclusions are

A. When Jeremy Lin has a good game, he has a good game on the box score. Very interesting...
B. When Jeremy Lin has a good game, he shoots more and score more. Even more interesting...

So the question is, when Jeremy Lin has a bad game, is it because

A. He decided not to try on during that game
B. He's incapable of playing great games all the time because he's not a star
C. He only has good games when other Rockets player and coaches let him, when the other guys weren't selfishly hogging the ball instead of letting Lin be a star?

 

quote "Once again, there is no relationship between the two variables, only interesting observations."

 

Sorry, can't edit my post.
Very curious, whats the url you guys are using to get those stats? want to try it out myself.

I think Patterned 's posted stats seems to be showing Chalmer's highest 9 scoring games.

Where OP's stats are showing all Lin's games where he attempted 14 or more shots. Very different comparisons.

 

^^^What he said. If a guy is shooting poorly, he'll put a damper on his FGA as the game goes on. If he's shooting well, he'll push his FGA up. Unless he is Melo or J.R. Smith or Mike James (shot more per minute that Yao Ming) or Jason Terry or that kind of perpetual "green light" guy, the volume shooter.

 

Which means he has exactly half as many threads as Omer Asik on the front page. Or if you want. Just as many as D Mo, Terrance Jones, and Marcus Camby.

To be exact there probably as many crap on Lin threads then there are posts praising Lin.

We all get it. You guys don't have a lick of common sense and just need someone to bash. Its easy to bash Lin and his fans.

Whats more annoying. Lin fans posting about a Current Rocket that they love and praise, or the myriad of supposed Rockets fans who want to hate on a guy who plays for your supposed favorite team?

I can get where people may get annoyed at a Lin thread, but the hypocrisy in not realizing its really you tards that jumble up the Garm with your hate. You have stated your peace, now why are you even clicking a Lin thread to begin with? "Hey look at me, I can crap on Lin and Lin fans"

You sir are sooooo cooool.












Not really

 

Absolutely not.

We just got the best center in the league and he needs more than the six shots Asik was taking last year.

Lin's shot 11 shot attempts from last year should be cut down to about six a game so Howard can get his up to about 11-12.

Lin should really only be taking wide open layups and transition buckets.

 

Lol, these threads are so funny. When Lin gets the opportunity to score? Opportunity from who?

Lin can put up those numbers whenever he wants. His high scoring games weren't a result of a conscious effort to get him the ball. We had the same exact offense those games.

 

Good analysis OP. The stats only reflect what my eyes saw last season. I hope Lin is more aggressive next season and takes some of the wear and tear off Harden.

 

Well, I just tried this on basketball-reference with 3 random players, including Harden. It's pretty much the same result. This is like saying Harden should take even more shots because his FG% also goes up above average, with an increased number (20 or more) of shot attempts. lol

 

It's from NBA.com. It's pretty much the same results.

OP did the highest 18 games and it showed Lin shooting 48%, which is about a 4% increase from his average.

For Chalmer's highest 18 games, Chalmer's shoots 50%, which is about a 7% increase from his average.

The link that jocar posted goes over it and has graphs with more data than just Chalmers and Lin.

http://wagesofwins.com/2012/10/24/what-would-happen-if-they-shot-more/

"As one’s true shooting percentage increases, so do their field goal attempts. At a certain point, however, to increase true shooting percentage you need to stop shooting. Maintaining a 70% true shooting percentage while shooting 20 times per game is incredibly difficult. I have looked at the data for previous years, and the shape of the graph is very similar.

If I were to describe the graph in two sentences, I would say: for bad shooters, as field goal attempts per game increase, true shooting percentage increases. For good shooters, as field goal attempts increase, true shooting percentage decreases. "

 

Here ya go http://www.basketball-reference.com/
Just click on FGA after you find whoever you want to try it with to sort it.

 

Lin is a very inefficient player. His PER placed him 35 out of 50 PGS eligible to stat the PER. When he shows he is improving then he will deserve to play more. Right now even Bevs PER is better and he is a better defender.

For him to be more involved means less touches for Harden or Howard or Parsons who are all higher PERs. Harden is among the most efficient and highest scorers in the NBA. But if Lin starts showing improvement then let him get more involved.

 

Thanks for the URLs and other info. very cool! Going to play with those tools now.

 

Lol..first game at home against Charlotte

 

I don't really care about statistics.

The only question that matters is this:
Is the team more likely to come away with the victory when Lin takes more shots?

I haven't done the research so I cannot say either way.

The bottom line is that, even if Lin was shoot 75% on 30 FGA, if it resulted in a Rockets loss, then it is not a smart strategy. The same goes for any member of this team.

Winning > Individual Stats

 

NO. 4th option.