Support for repealing Obamacare plunges to an all time low.

The gridlock is on both sides. The two parties used to be able to agree on some things but now they are so ideologically polarized that there is simply nothing that either side is willing to compromise on. The Democratic party is for all intents and purposes now the socialist party and the Republican party is being pushed further to the right by its base in response to the takeover of the Dem party by radicals and the purging of moderates in its ranks. There's no longer anything to discuss.

But the Republican leadership in both the House and the Senate are spineless and will completely cave on CRs and the debt limit because they don't want the optics of a shutdown. The media is completely in the tank for the Dem party and the Republicans will take all of the blame, even though both sides are to blame for this situation.

Cruz and a few others will make some noise but the reality is that 2012 was the last chance to get rid of Obamacare, and the leadership is not going to sustain a fight on it to the point of shutdown with the midterms looming. Their only hope at this point is to win back the Senate (which they have a decent chance of doing in 2014 and again in 2016), win the WH, and amend the law to try and make it more realistic and less intrusive.

Repeal is not going to happen, and neither is a shutdown over it. The ship has sailed.

 

The democrats are becoming closer to the right. If they were actually socialist they would have got a single payer system. The problem is the Republicans have gone so far to the right they can't see anything.

 

Delusional poster is delusional, and makes delusional post.

 

I agree. The party of believing "legitimate" rape cannot make babies, the Earth is 4000 years old and Sarah Palin is intellectually qualified to be one death away from being the President of the United States is delusional.

 

And the party of "57 states," 40 million dead babies, and Sheila Jackson Lee is any better? Let's not go there.

 

Lets see. I'm sure a Harvard constitutional law professor knows how many states there are in the U.S. and had a slip of the tongue.

And abortion is not something anyone wants rather there is a line of thinking that believes that an adult already human woman's rights trump that of a not yet human fetus.

And Sheila Jackson Lee... Please point to a quote she says that is more delusional than believing the Earth is less than 4000 years old or that a raped woman cannot produce babies.

I'm sorry but a large base of the Republican party, the Evangelical Conservative, is quite delusional.

 

I completely agree. And the same applies to the liberal base too.

 

Earth 4000 years old delusional?

 

Dude, you REALLY don't want to argue how delusional someone is with SJL as your standard for comparison. Seriously. She is likely the dumbest person serving in Congress today. I don't think second place is even close.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/sheila-jackson-lee-thinks-slavery-ended-in-the-1960s/

http://www.examiner.com/article/is-sheila-jackson-lee-really-that-stupid

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/sheila-jackson-third-stupid-comment-in-three-days

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/dgreenfield/sheila-jackson-lee-racist-and-moron/

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/congressional-bosses-from-hell-sheila-jackson-lee/

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2010/07/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-we-won-vietnam-war-landed-on-mars-in-1969/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=865_1360994786&comments=1

This is just a SMALL sampling of the glory that is SJL's insane idiocy. This probably deserves its own thread. It would be enormously entertaining... But if you are going to throw an Aiken in our faces, then we can surely throw her right back in yours.

Both parties have some fringe idiots that we can throw at each other. I can think of at least a dozen in the Dem party right off the top of my head. Do you really want to play that game?

 

As delusional as the Earth being 4000 years old? Even the bright and shining intellectuals of your party such as Rubio believe there is debate about the Earth being 4000 years old. And he is not one of the fringe members of your party. Like Santorum said, the Republicans will "never have the elite smart people on our side".

 

I don't think you know what Socialism is. The Democratic party is far more to the Right now than it was through most of the 20th C..

 

Good luck with that argument, as true as it is. He sees what he wants to see, and no amount of truth will alter his "vision."

 

Obamacare actually works with private insurance to help achieve optimal affordable insurance options. insurance executives were comsulted on the legislation. they werent just directed to follow orders

 

Politics (sadly) is about winning elections. As the republicans let the teabaggers move their party to the right wing fringe, the dems will move that way to capture the center right (moderate republicans) that can't support radicalism like shutting down the government to stymie the ACA.

The left has no other options anyway.

Also, as elections become less competitive, the corporate money will pour in to the DNC. What we will end up with is a one party system that only struggles to decide policy within the party. Hmmm. who does that sound like?

 

Delusional liberals are delusional and make delusional posts.

Don't even realize what they really are.

 

As typical, you speak as if Republicans are the big evil corporate mongers and the liberals are only trying to do whats best for the people. Liberal and Conservative politicians are the same coin, on separate sides. The conservative people recognize this better than liberals, hence why the party is in disarray. People are more concerned about social beliefs than they are about the health of the country. I am much more concerned about fiscal responsibility than a candidates belief on marriage, abortion or other social issues. Do you really think a candidates position on marriage or abortion is more important than a president setting precedents to wreck our economy? (see: Bush/Obama) The POTUS does not determine marriage or abortion rights, but they sure as hell can elect cabinet members who can alter our economy and financial blight.

In the US, we will not have a one party system or a 3+ party system anytime soon. Americans are too competitive and our human nature pits us in a "us or them" situation. Facts don't matter. Its only about what our teams believes. Until this changes, we will continue to have Obamas and Bushes year in and year out.

 

#1 Yes, both parties are responsible for the current situation;

#2 No, Republicans do not realize "this" better, this is shown by the extremeist candidates the Republicans are putting out.

#3 The Republicans are even MORE concerned with the social issues, from abortion, to immigration, etc.

#4 At this point both parties serve the same master, large corporations.

 

typical of what?

I just stated that a two party system of reasoned, debateable positions is better than a functionally one party system because at least you can vote on issues and there is at least the appearance of competition for hearts and minds.

The problem I'm stating is that when one party gets radicalized it ends up getting marginalized because the the voting block that decides elections is more in the middle.

And yet the whole illusion is just fantasy because all politics in the US are a function of money: contributors, lobbyist and lawyers, not the greater good, not the longer term.

 

Just to get the discussion focused on Obamacare again... Here's a nice little tidbit:

Chairman Obama is going to exempt Congress from Obamacare in violation of his own law:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/capitol-hill-obamacare-crisis-solved-95100.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obamacare-exemption-lawmakers-aides-90610.html

So congress has decided not to apply their own law to themselves, in contravention to their own signature law, and Obama will simply have his minions regulate an exception for them. Obamacare for thee, but I think I'll keep my own plan, thanks...

If this doesn't anger you then there is something wrong with you.

 

Using "chairman" and "minions" won't get you reasoned debate.