Exactly! You think young players want to be the next Fisher? No1 talks about the championships Fisher has, they just talk about his flops all the time.
^^^^THIS^^^^ Think about it, which team did CP3 play on before? Or Kyrie now? or John Wall? Or Jrue Holiday? All these players who are considered all stars or a shoe in to become all stars, how many really played or are playing on a contender team? Let me just add: Why should individual players have ANY loyalty to a team when the team shows NO loyalty in return? It's my fervent prayer that those delusional CF fans will get what they rightfully deserve themselves in their own careers- stunted growth or no growth opportunities.
Wait, is this right? Did I just read a page full of LOFs arguing AGAINST Lin trying to improve his 3pt shooting, defense, and turnovers(what Fisher's known for)? So you guys want Lin to go into the Monta Ellis/Brandon Jennings career path?
I'm going to admit that I just registered at ClutchFans specifically to do this poll. I'm also going to admit that I've been reading this forum for about a year and will also admit I got interested in the Rockets when Lin came over from the Knicks. Last thing I'll admit is that I haven't registered previously because the Lin-only loving and hating is incredibly tedious to sift through, but I thought the OP did a nice job with this thread and I've enjoyed reading it. Never thought I'd say that about a Lin-only thread. Here's how I voted: I root for Lin to do well and generally like him as a player. Why not? he's a team player and has a strong work ethic. He'll adapt his game for the good of the team. What's not to like about that? Lin is a good basketball player and just needs time to continue to improve and find his niche. I agree with this. He's had basically 1.5 seasons' worth of playing time in the NBA. Show me another third year player in the NBA that doesn't need to improve. McHale should put the ball in Lin’s hands more and let him create more. I actually think the coach bears some of the responsibility for all players to thrive. So McHale's got some more homework to do on this one. But I also agree with: It’s up to Lin to figure out how to fit in our offense and he should just focus on what McHale wants. It's a two-way street. Lin bears some of the responsibility as well. Wasn't crazy about the "he should just focus" on what McHale wants, but I think all players should try to fit into a coaching scheme and do what a coach wants--there are too many loose cannon prima donnas in the NBA and they're basically no good to anyone in terms of assembling a team that can actually WIN. Lin needs to produce a certain number of points and assists to justify his salary and presence. I agree with this. How can you not agree with this? You get paid to do something, you get evaluated to see if you're earning your keep--whether you're a school teacher, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or garbage man. Uncontroversial to my way of thinking. Okay, that's it. I may never post in ClutchFans again but at least I've had my say on this thread.
Can't conclude anything. Still 800-1000 voters. There are another ten thousand members or more who haven't voted yet.
Welcome new member, I'd like to inform you we got a new player and Kevin McHale's job is trying to figure out how to get the ball in this new player's hands
There are not many point guards in this league who over the space of fifteen to twenty games could put up the kind of numbers that Lin put up during Linsanity. People say that Linsanity could never happen again; and, maybe it couldn't, to the extent that it did the first time. But it could happen. If you watch those Knicks games during the Linsanity stretch--it wasn't the defense (or lack thereof) that made Jeremy so good, it was Jeremy himself that made Jeremy good. Watching those games now and comparing it to his Rockets games--it's almost like watching two different players. His shot during Linsanity was soooo pure; he had this stop-and-go move that I've rarely seen him use while on the Rockets and which was super effective; he passed and shot as if without thinking and somehow the ball just seemed to go in the basket on the difficult shots (whereas with the Rockets those same shots always seem to rim out for Jeremy); also it shows what a difference it makes for Jeremy when he has a great finishing center like Chandler. Was it because Lin was healthy? Maybe. Personally I think it has a lot to do though with his confidence and comfort level. JLin could not have done what he did during Linsanity if he didn't have that kind of ability inside himself to draw from. Watching those Knicks games I say to myself that if Lin played with that kind of focus, and purpose, and confidence, with the Rockets--we would indeed be a very good team.
Check Lin out here...his decisiveness, his quick thinking with his passes, his three-point shooting, his swagger, how even the tough shots he puts up all seem to go in. Granted Calderon is a weak defender, but...this is what JLin is capable of doing when he is healthy and confident. Another way of looking at it is that last year with the Rockets was a fluke! Comparing Linsanity Jeremy to last years' Rockets Jeremy is like comparing TMac of '07 to TMac of today. Anyway here is the video:
Do you think it is better for Lin to be like Wall, plays for a crappy team, 1st option and gets max pay or 4th option and plays for a contender? Seriously, I don't have an answer. I guess if he can carry a crappy to playoffs and eventually be a contender, then yes.
It's not mutually exclusive. Putting the ball in a PG's hands could potentially increase the touches of the big man. I'm not arguing the Lin needs the ball more. Just pointing out the logic of your statement.
that's why I was a pg running the point. he knows the best pass for the situation. maury stated that lin's assist turn to the most points. that's nice and all, but there are also many passes that led to fts for the big men and for corner threes that were missed. it's about the right players getting the best shot, no room for 'stickyness'. now if it's one of those games were lin can't do wrong right, then you bring in the reliever. People say our offense was all because of Harden, which is a complete lie. we could score just as efficiently with Hayes Scola Bud Martin the trinity of pgs(choose from philly steak, eastern european, or asian flavor.) with dwight, I want dwight to touch the ball every possession. No stickyballs.
If it's not Lin who produced linsanity at age 22/23, most people would assume better than linsanity performance at his peak...
So true. Sad to see so many people with blinders refuse to even acknowledge there is a chance that they may be influenced by their confirmation bias.
You won't get 100% participation in any poll or survey, not even for federal elections. Conclusions can be drawn since enough people have voted in this poll to be representative of the forum's general opinion.
Good lord. You are so wrong on so many levels that it is just rediculous. You say, "All I want is my team to win a championship," and contradict yourself at the same time. Clearly, you think Jeremy should think for himself and work on his skills so his next contract is a good one, that being more important than that championship you mentioned. What makes you think he's not being coached to improve all his skills as a point guard, right here in Houston? And what could possibly make you think that in his approach to NBA basketball, that contributing to a championship team isn't the most important thing to Jeremy? With all due respect, you're just absurd. As for Omer? "IMO, he will nab a bigger contract by starting and putting up good numbers on another team instead of backing up Howard for 15 minutes a game in Houston." What in the hell did he just do? What did he just do last season? The Rockets gave him an opportunity to start and show what he could do, just what you are carrying on about. Exactly what you are carrying on about! And as with Jeremy, Morey made a huge financial gamble, a giant bet that the large salary was worth it, that it would pay off for the Rockets, and the coaching staff worked like hell to develop both players so both they and the team would succeed. And then you said this: "I think young, role players usually take money over winning and I don't blame them for that." and "But players cares what is the best for themselves, too. It's not like Lin is a superstar and has everything already but a championship." Good lord. You understand nothing.
I think he made a pretty clear distinction about what he wants as a fan (for the rockets to succeed), and what players themselves want for their careers (which is different for every player, but could involve making more money and/or being more featured on a less talented team over playing a strict role on a more talented team). He stated that he couldn't fault players for pursuing what they deem to be good for their careers, even if it's not exactly aligned with what he wants as a fan. Take your point on Omer. Yes last season he played a full season and clearly showed he was a top starting center in the game. But what do you think would help his next contract more - spending the next 2 seasons playing 15-20 minutes a game on the rockets averaging 9-7 or starting on a mediocre team averaging 35 minutes and 16-13? Perhaps before being so inflammatory against a pretty decently expressed post, you should learn reading comprehension first.
