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Pistons to acquire Brandon Jennings

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Jul 30, 2013.

  1. valorita

    valorita Member

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    Someone make a poll of The 25 million dollar question... Lin vs Jennings. Who u prefer and why.
     
  2. mzsajjad

    mzsajjad Member

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    i think it was a good move ... jennings for knight should help. They haven't been in the playoffs for 4 years and the moves they made gives them the 6th seed in the east.

    in no order....
    MIA, CHI, IND, BKN, NY will still likely be better ... but no one else in the east has a better squad.

    DET is alone at 6 seed talent.

    WSH, TOR, CLE, BOS fight for the last 2 spots
     
  3. mzsajjad

    mzsajjad Member

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    Lin is the better money investment ... Jennings is the better talent and player .
     
  4. Brandyon

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    That's fair. "Underrated" is as relative to an individual as it gets too.

    I had the impression that a lot of people were considering him a bottom half of the league point guard based solely on FG%. In those cases, I'd say he's being underrated. He's no Raefer Alston.
     
  5. parksn306

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    fun trade...we may not know what dumars is doing, but at least people are talking about the pistons again...i don't know about you guys but I'll definitely watch more pistons games this year than last
     
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  6. J.R.

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    Trade grade

    Detroit: B+

    Let's begin analyzing this trade with a quick blind comparison of 2012-13 stats:

    Player Usg TS% Ast% TO% Win% WARP
    Player A .238 .510 .078 .129 .527 7.0
    Player B .267 .496 .098 .173 .525 6.9

    You might guess that Jennings is one of these players (he's player A). Player B is Jrue Holiday, who like Jennings has just completed his rookie contract. I think we can agree that the two players are statistically similar. Despite a much better field-goal percentage, Holiday is the less efficient scorer because he takes fewer 3-pointers and gets to the free throw line far less often. His superior assist rate is offset by far more turnovers. By my WARP system, their seasons were basically identical. PER gives Holiday the slight edge, while Win Shares dramatically favors Jennings because they give less credit to Holiday for playing a larger role in his team's offense.

    Yet the perceptions of the two young point guards could not be more different. Holiday was picked for the All-Star Game, and the New Orleans Pelicans gave up a pair of first-round picks to make him their point guard of the future. Jennings couldn't even scare up attention from his own team as a restricted free agent before the Detroit Pistons finally completed this sign-and-trade deal, which will reportedly pay him a very reasonable $25 million over the next three seasons. (Holiday, who signed an extension with the Philadelphia 76ers last fall, will make a little less than $30 million in that same span.)

    This comparison is not to say that the two point guards are identical. Holiday is the better player. He's bigger, a better defender and a little younger to boot. But Jennings, for all his warts, is a valuable contributor whose complete strikeout in free agency was somewhat mystifying. Jennings solidifies a point guard position that (brief Jose Calderon cameo aside) has been a trouble spot in Detroit since the Chauncey Billups trade, and the cost (Knight, who might not be a point guard, and a couple of young reserves) wasn't particularly high.

    As with the Josh Smith signing earlier this summer, the potential problems for the Pistons center more on fit than talent. Detroit suddenly has a lot of players who operate best with the ball in their hands, and a spot-up shooter like Knight seemed like a better complement to the frontcourt trio of Smith, Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond than an isolation point guard like Jennings.

    On a more positive note, Jennings is hardly a non-shooter; per Synergy Sports his effective field-goal percentage on spot-up attempts (.492) wasn't much worse than Knight's mark (.516). And both Jennings' greatest strength (taking care of the basketball) and weakness (inaccurate shooting, especially in the paint) fit well with the Pistons' big lineup. Detroit has an excellent chance of rebounding those misses, which isn't possible with turnovers.

    Joe Dumars has upgraded Detroit's lineup this offseason without getting substantially older. A core of Jennings (23), Monroe (23) and Drummond (who doesn't turn 20 until next month) has plenty of upside, and even Smith is just 27. Dumars is certainly taking a risk that these pieces will fit together, but if nothing else the 2013-14 Pistons will be a fascinating experiment. Compared to the extended run of boring mediocrity since the dissolution of the 2004 champions, I think the effort is worth it.

    Milwaukee: B-

    For all the nice things I just said about him, I can't totally blame the Milwaukee Bucks for wanting to move on from Jennings. They were more effective late last season, especially in the playoffs, with Monta Ellis at point guard than Jennings, and his slow development surely exaggerated his weaknesses among those who watched him on a nightly basis.

    Still, if Milwaukee was going to move on, there was probably a better way to do it than this. As the saga played out, the Bucks left themselves with few options -- especially after their failed attempt to sign Jeff Teague away from the Atlanta Hawks essentially eliminated the possibility of Jennings taking a reasonable long-term deal to stay in Milwaukee.

    By this point, the alternatives were basically a sign-and-trade or Jennings playing this season for the qualifying offer and leaving as an unrestricted free agent a year for now. This move at least salvages some long-term value, though its still uncertain how much because Knight's long-term potential is difficult to gauge. Based on last season, Knight isn't a starting-caliber point guard. He appears best suited to play both guard spots, preferably off the bench for a good team. SCHOENE calls him most similar at the same age to a shooting guard -- new backcourt-mate O.J. Mayo.

    The Bucks get a couple of years to figure out whether Mayo can provide enough ballhandling support to Knight for them to start together at guard, and with their frontcourt in place they'll probably have additional opportunities to find a long-term solution if Knight isn't that.

    Like most of Milwaukee's moves this summer, this deal is more than defensible on its own merits but hazier in the bigger picture. After making a series of acquisitions designed to fight for the eighth seed, the Bucks not only weakened themselves in the short term but also boosted one of their Eastern Conference rivals. This trade will be interesting to revisit next spring when we see how the conference shakes out.
     
  7. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Auburn hills its about a 20 min ride from Detroit.
     
  8. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    It is as if Dumars was like "How can I duplicate the success of the Ben Gordon/Charlie Villueva off-season?"
     
  9. TC777JLIN168

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    LOL, repped.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    He may well be in bottom half of the league among starting PGs just because there are a ton of B-level-or-better PGs out there (see here: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=242408, there are at least 15 guys that are either clearly better/more valuable than Jennings or at least at nearly the same talent level as Jennings).

    It doesn't mean he's not a useful player, though, and I expect him to make things better for Detroit than they would have been with Brandon Knight at PG next season.
     
  11. DonatasFanboy

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    It will be interesting to watch. I can see how Jennings could get much more efficient there. Get him to spot up more, get him to dump the ball inside. It's feasible with all the Pistons inside options. He's a horrible finisher but that should be less of an issue on that team. Can he be coached to do that and adjust, we'll see.
     
  12. hardenisaboss

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    am I the only one who thinks this is a good trade for the Pistons.
    first of all Jennings for 8 million is a steal.
    Secondly people are talking about the Pistons again. I mean I am going to watch them more next year.
    Third if they could flip Monroe for Green then guess what they're lineup would actually be pretty good with Jennings, Cadwell Pope, Green, Smith and Drummond. This is a young team with lots of room to grow. Just needs the right coach
    Fourth Jennings has mad potential and Billups will help him realize it. I could see him go for a 44FG% next year. Remember he wants to prove himself.
    Fifth they will easily win the 6th seed and if Drummond realizes his potential and becomes a superstar in the next 2-3 years then guess what the Pistons will be a contender.

    they are headed in the right direction.
     
  13. hardenisaboss

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    Jennings and it's not even close
     
  14. hardenisaboss

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    this is a good move and seriously as a Rocket fan I wouldn't call the Pistons stupid I mean they have been a better franchise then the Rockets, 3 does beat 2
     
  15. Hrock

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    That coach is f***ed.
     
  16. DonatasFanboy

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    Yikes. My opinion of Dumars would go down significantly.
     
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    I think if they did this move and DIDNT sign Josh Smith than they would be going in the right direction. Josh Smith just does not fit on that team.... But you never know. They work in the league and I give analysis from my couch. They probably know something that I don't.
     
  18. Ultramagnus

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    true. actually, such a Joe Dumars move.

    reminicent of Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton or Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins for Grant Hill.

    hope it works out for both teams, especially the Pistons, they have a nice young core going on there.
     
  19. baller4life315

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    You're alone on an island with this one.

    Jennings is easily one of the most overrated players in the league.
     
  20. Ultramagnus

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    meant Rip for Stackhouse.

    anyway, Pistons could really be an exciting team to watch great potential, high upside players and real nice supporting guys like Singler and Jerebko. the team could very well make a lot of noise.
     

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