The Media's Bias and Race Baiting - Trayvon Martin

When you say "they," do you mean "those people?"

 

Great point. It's very interesting the way some people do that. Getting into schools should be based on poverty level not race based affirmative action. But when it comes to crime it isn't based on poverty but it is based on race. Excellent observation.

In giddy's case when it's racial profiling it's based on race and giddy believes that's okay.

 

I'm not sure if you should blame the police themselves or just the writers of TV cop shows but every time they are looking for someone, the first describer they use is race.

Something like: "black male. approximately 5 foot 9 inches. 150-165 pounds...."

Nearly every damn time if not every damn time. It's a natural. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that if you don't use a racial component of profiling in the search for a suspect, you are a complete idiot.

Or are you talking about "traffic stops while black?" Also I'm not sure how one could have racial profiling that is not based on race, but that is what you said.

 

Funny how the conservatives (the OP, for example) are so big on the "liberal media bias" and such.

I will admit that they were sure to show younger "he's-cute-how-could-they-shoot-him?" Trayvon pictures as opposed to the young man who died (thanks to George Mighty Mouse Zimmerman) that day. Perception, perception.

But driving in to work, skipping between 610 and 790, and listening a bit to Michael Berry on 740, just so I can get a taste of conservative radio....

Funny how Michael Berry types provoke no outrage. I heard about 10 minutes. All of it was pure race-baiting. Blacks as criminals, shuck-and-jive, black politicians are this and that.

And there are plenty of Michael Berrys out there, they just don't have a radio show.

 

Yes I said racial profiling based on race. I was redundant.

Describing a person as black or hispanic, or caucasion isn't racial profiling. If you already know who did something describing that person using their race isn't racist or racial profiling. Why are you even talking about that? That wasn't part of the conversation until you just now brought it up. But when you target someone of a race and presume they are a criminal because of their race then that is racial profiling.

Racial profiling is wrong, and descriminating. You support it and have defended it. The sad thing is that it leads to more racial profiling. If I'm primarily profiling black people then I'll have more arrests of black people, and I can say that there are more crimes involving black people. I could do the same thing for whites, hispanics, asians, any race I wanted.

It's also ineffective and why they stopped doing it for drug smuggling. They used to profile for that, and then the drug smugglers just started using white blondes to move their drugs, and it worked. So law enforcement stopped profiling.

You support the discriminatory practice of racial profiling for some reason.

 

Starsky and Hutch made him do it.

 

"Racial profiling" means a lot of things. You need to be more specific about what you are saying. I'm not sure how, when or where you see me promoting racial profiling except when it is a known feature such as in a search.

I think this discussion is being held in the context of the Trayvon Martin case (see Thread title) when a huge issue was made of Zimmerman saying "I think he's black" in direct response to the 911 operator asking him about the race of the suspect.

A ton of you guys/gals made a big deal out of that being evidence of Zimmerman profiling racially. Zimmerman's original comments were about suspicious behavior, period. He brought race into when the 911 OP asked for that kind of information because they police were on their way and needed to know who to look for. PERIOD.

 

You defended racial profiling by deciding it was okay to use violence on Arab men congregated near the bathroom on a plane. You said it was okay because Arab men had committed the terrorism on 9/11.

That's not using race for a search, that's using it to determine probability of guilt, and take action based on the fact of their ethnicity. That's exactly what racial profiling is. When you look at one incident committed by an ethnicity and decide that different rules can then apply to everyone of that ethnicity because of it, that's racial profiling. It's also discrimination because almost every person of that ethnicity will be innocent in instances like that. Yet you are willing to treat them as if they were guilty because according to you at 35,000 feet you just can't wait to see if they might actually be doing something wrong. So you defended assuming they were doing something wrong and the use of violence against them.

Nobody has ever said that describing someone based on their race was racial profiling. You're the only one that brought that into the conversation at any point.

The reason that some have brought it into the Trayvon Martin case is they wonder if George Zimmerman would have thought a white teen would have looked suspicious to him, and that perhaps the teen looked suspicious because he was black. I'm not stating that's what happened. I don't think there's any way to really know whether it did or not, so I don't want to argue about that.

But I will say that racial profiling is wrong.

 

He say's " he looks black " this indicates he was not quite sure and it was the suspicious behavior more then the color of skin that lead him to become interested in what martin was up to

 

Oh my god. You guys take your assumptions as gospel.

 

Again, I'm not going to argue whether GZ was racially profiling or not. There's no way to tell. And it really doesn't make a difference. GZ did make some wrong assumptions about TM. Whether or not any of it was in any way based on race, there is no way of knowing.

 

OMG, I said that bigtexx was just woofing about that kind of actionand I didn't take him literally. I scoffed that you did. I did say that he was saying in an around about way that he would not do nothing out of some regrettable PC consciousness if he grew suspicious. I agreed with that. Men don't generally gather in groups to go to the bathroom, while you wanted to rest on the FACT that it is not illegal to do so. If you recall, small groups of Arab men had just brought down 3 US planes and in the aftermath of that there were stories brought forth by others who thought they had witnessed rehearsals of that same kind of action. I referenced the actor James Woods as one that I recalled.

Here is the portion of the 911 call that is pertinent:



The 911 call was one of Zimmerman's nearly 50 calls in the past year wherein he reported a suspicious black male in his neighborhood. There have been reports of numerous burglaries in the neighborhood.

Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, also lives in the gated Sanford, Florida neighborhood where his son was shot and killed while walking home from a local convenience store.

Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.

911 dispatcher:

Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

911 dispatcher:

He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:

Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:

That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

The second comment is much more confident and straight-forward about identifying the race of the suspect. If not why would Zimmerman state it a second time?

 

... while you ignore the evidence that doesn't match your preferred narrative. See above.

 

Oh my god.

You presume the he looks black comment means he can't tell if he's black and I just as likely can say his presumption that he looked black contributed to his presumption that he looked suspicious. It's just as valid an assumption. Get a life or something. Just about every assumption that you guys make I can make a totally opposite assumption just as easily.

Your schtick is so old.

 

texxx himself defended his claim of taking violent action. texxx never said taking against people doing illegal things. The only thing he said was against Arabs congregating near the restroom.

I never take one single thing texxx says here seriously including that. But his pretend persona said that, and it was racist. You defended it because it was groups of Arabs that carried the attacks on 9/11.

 

So you conveniently ignore the structure of the second remark... again shirking evidence.

Your schtick is so shallow. Shall we re-visit your failed position on Serino's desire to press charges? Wrong for a year and a half and you barely acknowledge that.

 

That's why I said he was woofing.

You never take things texxx says seriously... unless you want to try and embarrass him with it... then you take it literally and deadly seriously... as you have done right here.

If a group of young black men wearing hoodies approach you in the aftermath of this Zimmerman verdict and your spidey sense goes off, does that make you a racist?

 

If they just approach me, then it would make me guilty of racial profiling. Just approaching me isn't a crime.

I will always point out if someone says something racist. If they are playing their silly internet persona, that isn't my fault. Nothing I say or anyone says on here will ever embarrass texxx because he doesn't care. He's here to troll and see what he can get away with. So I don't take anything he says seriously.

What he said was bigoted. He had the chance to say he wasn't serious. Or whatever. He didn't.

What you said was a silly defense of racial profiling. You aren't really playing a character who's just trying to see what you can get away with saying.

 

The second remark simply confirmed his presumption that he looked black. So what?

GZ sees youngster walking, looks black. Recognition that he is probably black. Black kid looks suspicious. And what? You yourself said race was a primary identifier. Now it's not? Whatever crazy.

Your own damn words in this thread.

But somehow race doesnt enter in until the operator asks him because Zimmerman is a stupid mother****er who only noticed Martin's blackness when he was asked about it.

giddy logic owned with his own words AGAIN.

I can find the article stating that Serino wanted to file manslaughter charges and the DA declined. My position was based on the information I had available during the first weeks of that thread. You sure as hell weren't involved with that thread at the time and I didnt see anyone post an FBI report which wasn't even transcribed until April 5th much less posted online. That thread showed up on March 10th. Ive already stated i didnt follow the trial and this whole issue was within the context of you asking why i wasnt outraged by the stupid race baiting murder thread you posted like i was about the Martin thread. You seem intent on focusing on the manslaughter issue rather than all of the issues i posted including the lack of a tox report which is apparently standard protocol in a homicide. Stick with the facts crazy.

You're such a gigantic waste of time.

 

The second remark was voluntarily offered by Zimmerman; he was not asked again. It is "obviously" offered at a point where, with Martin walking toward him, he got a better view. He "looks black" is tentative but not presumptive.

You've got the sequence wrong. Kid looks suspicious. When asked, he identifies the kids as "looking black."

Race is a primary identifier when the police are on the lookout for someone. That's why GZ was asked for a racial assignment. You are overlooking the fact that GZ had to be asked about that. He wasn't shouting it from the get-go.

You complain about things being taken out of context. You've used my words in a discussion about simple, straightforward profiling of a wanted person and applied them to a situation where GZ had not been profiling but simply observing. The 911 operator turned it into profiling which is useful and necessary from that point forward.

Out of context. See above.

Yes, I suppose so otherwise Zimmerman's opening words would have been "There's a black kid....." Those weren't his opening remarks, were they? That would seem to piss you off because it doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

So you are admitting that you were duped by the media from the get-go? As Dr. Phil says, you can't solve a problem unless you recognize the problem. I stuck to the facts; you are the one who dragged the wrong facts to the mountaintop and shouted at the top of your lungs... because you wanted to.

And I'm crazy... crazy right.

Here is your second actual but first substantial post in the Trayvon Martin thread, addressing bigtexxx:

I've bolded your suspect facts although much of the rest of your commentary is inaccurate.