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Lin fans: Why the opposition to 6th man?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LelWestbrick, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. SevenMinuteAbs

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    What odds did Beverly beat?

    They didn't just give Jeremy an opportunity to play for funsies, injuries forced him to get more playing time an when he got it he had one of the best starts ever.
     
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  2. raskol

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    Oh and here's some fodder for the haters (not speaking to you). I think Lin will prove to be better than Chandler in the end, and I like Chandlers game a lot. Clearly, last year Chandler was great and was a nearly a perfect 3 for us but in terms of impact, I do think Lin's potential is greater. We shall see though~ it's all good as long as all our players play well. We have a special group of kids and I can't wait to see what we do this coming season.
     
  3. lakersuck

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    Just because Lin comes off the bench doesn't mean that the center when he's the primary ballhandler has to be Asik. Nobody does 5 man swaps at once in the NBA. This isn't grade school. You can rest Howard early so that when Harden subs out, Howard can come back in with Lin. The PnR magic can still happen.
     
  4. arno_ed

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    You are aware that you replied to yourself?
    I do not think Lin will be better than parsons. But i would be happy to be proven wrong.
     
  5. raskol

    raskol Contributing Member

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    I think Bev has potential offensively and I know we will see 20+ performances from Bev this year so I don't get the limiting of Bevs potential when his career thus far suggests that he can. I'm just worried that the in your face defense (which I don't like) will backfire this year and the refs will be out to get him next year for what he did to Westbrook. Quick fouls can lead to a while truckload of trouble and can affect a game as much as a horrible biased ref.
     
  6. raskol

    raskol Contributing Member

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    And on my end, even if Chandler plays better, as long as Lin improves, and we win, it's all good as well.
     
  7. dream1222

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    factual correct? sorry, i have no idea what what you are talking about.
    http://wagesofwins.com/2012/11/02/just-shoot-more-how-to-fool-advanced-stats/
     
  8. Panda23

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    He needs to be more aggresive. Particularly reg season he was passing up alot of shots, just let it fly. Same with Lin, when his jumper isn't falling he's a completely different player. I like the potential and talent Lin has but at least if that aggression was always constant it'd be alot better.
     
  9. PeppermintCandy

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    Yup, and I think there are other facets to his game that could help the team. Agree to disagree.
     
  10. luckytxn

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    OK

    I agree with you. 4th best on an NBA team is still pretty good. Very few players actually makes an NBA team let alone starts and plays. Me saying that he is 4th best on the team is in response to something else someone said.

    Also in response to someone else. He has a good 1st step, not a great one. This is where I smh at a fan of only one player as I am sure others do. When others hear these asinine statements makes us start to tune out. Just be more realistic and say that he is good. He is not great from any perspective in real play. Stats and watching him play. If his fans are saying this because he is Asian and find it amazing that he is able to do these things regardless of him being Asian is not going to fly. He is just another NBA quality player out there playing for my team that I have watched since I was young. He will not get a pass from me and many others because of his race. Then when we discuss the team and mention Lin and we get called racists or haters and other venomous things is what is creating the divide.

    As for keep bringing up the few games where he scores a lot is also asinine. Throughout watching the NBA for about 40 years there have been many players that have scored well at times in their career and then never consistently kept doing it. There are going to be others that come along and do it. We are not going to get excited about that player and say he is the2nd coming of MJ. As an example Curry did an amazing thing during the playoffs himself but we all know he just had an incredible run. He has ankles of glass and will disappear again. No need to get excited about him too much. That is just one example so please no tangets on how Lin is no Curry and will keep doing what he is doing as it is fruitless to do so.
     
  11. redearth

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    It makes sense to me that Lin could get some court time with Howard. And, even during those minutes when Lin is paired with Asik, it would be just as good as last season.

    For those who are rooting hard for Lin, I gotta believe that Lin as 6th man will be an exciting thing to witness because he will get more touches, doin' what he does best, if he isn't starting alongside Harden and Howard.
     
  12. Knickskiller

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    U mean start asik and lin and howard off the bench?
     
  13. meh

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    Really? Wages of Wins? That's your source? No wonder you're clueless.

    Harden's TO%

    2011 - 11.3%
    2012 - 14.8%
    2013 - 14.9%

    Jeremy Lin's TO%

    Knicks - 21.4%
    Rockets - 18.8%

    Are you going to tell me that Harden shot the ball the most in 2011, and about the same in both 2012 and 2013? Or that Lin shot the ball more with the Rockets than with the Knicks?
     
  14. luckytxn

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    Yes


    The main reason I want Lin to become the 6th man is we need a good bench to go deep in the playoffs. The two main problems with the team last year was of course the 4 spot and then our bench kept failing.

    There is no one else on the team that I can see that could maybe make the 2nd unit a feared weapon except Lin right now. Harden is going to start along with Howard. That is a given. Parsons maybe could but he is going to be the starter as he is now the next player we are going to showcase as a new star this next year. I think maybe Garcia may be able to but he is iffy at times. The main problem with my hopes here and maybe wanting Lin to do that job is that Beverley I think needs at least one more year of seasoning to get to a true top tier level. Maybe Beverley can do it and I hope either him or Lin is capable. A top defender that starts and sets a tone and disrupts a team out of the gate like Beverly should be able to do would be great to see. Then to have a 2nd unit that can come in and keep the lead or even increase it would make us an elite team. I just see Lin as the most capable of doing that. Very few in the NBA can do something like that. That is why they have an award for 6th man of the year. It is that important.
     
  15. dream1222

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    George Hill TOV% 10.7
    Chris Paul TOV% 13.7
    Jeremy Lin TOV% 18.8
    Ricky Rubio TOV% 21.4
    Rajon Rondo TOV% 22.6

    there is nothing to do with lin or harden, i just saiding we should take it with a grain of salt
     
  16. Billionzz

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    You want your best players to be starters and get the most minutes, that is Lin plain and simple. It's not like we won't have scorers on the court all of the time with Harden, Howard, Lin, Parsons and Dmo. It's not like they all need to come out at the same time. Beverley is very good at being a on the ball pest but besides that I wouldn't say that his defense is better than Lin's. There are a few matchups where Bev will play D better than Lin but not night in and night out.
     
  17. luckytxn

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    Lol

    Bev is way better than Lin on defense. Lin has been too inconsistent to quiet the critics to say he should be the starter for sure. Nothing has shown Lin to be great.
     
  18. Billionzz

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    I never said Lin was great I just stated that he was the better player. I think we need his threat of being a playmaker in the game from the beginning playing with Howard. Lin is the better Shooter (at least the last 3 months of the season when he was healthy), his is the better passer and teams have to be concerned about him taking it to the basket. I like Beverley a lot and I like the way puts pressure on the ball, it can disrupt the other teams offense but just because he pressures the ball doesn't mean that his overall D is way better than Lin's if it is even better at all.
     
  19. luckytxn

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    OK

    Bev is a way better defender. The ability to disrupt the other teams play making abilities is huge. Bev statistically is a more efficient scorer also and Harden handles the play making better than Lin anyway.

    Sure we can argue that the stats are meaningless and other specious arguments but Morey and the rest of the team use the advanced stats. More than likely they will wait and see preseason and look at stats and make decisions. If they go by last years as of now Bev is the best bet.
     
  20. Knickskiller

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    Bev is not a good fit with Dwight. Dwight negates the need for be vs defensive talents.
     

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