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Do you believe Jeremy and Omer "are going to be here"?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jocar, Jul 23, 2013.

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Behind the scenes....

  1. Asik is still being offered.

    17.1%
  2. Lin is still being offered.

    4.5%
  3. Morey's still making calls and both are actively being shopped.

    49.2%
  4. Morey meant it. Both are officially of the table, and this squad rolls out next season.

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  1. dsid411

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    You can't say he's better than he is just because you think he has more potential than McHale is letting him realize. The fact is he played mediocre in our system. When he plays above mediocre in our system or someone els's then we can say he's not mediocre.
     
  2. chenjy9

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    I hope he improves too. I am just not optimistic at how much he will improve.
     
  3. Knickskiller

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    Lin is underrated again . he is inconsistent , but a lot of it had to do with his recovery and adjustment to harden. If he was bad and had no talent , no way he could have taken over , in those games harden was off.
    I am not blaming anyone in the rockets for this, they just need time to figure this out.
    The talent is obvious.
     
  4. alX

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    i guess i'm the only one who still sees lin as a really good young asset that will certainly improve with time. he has the intelligence to vastly improve his bball i.q. and the skill set to be amazing as he continues to learn and gain confidence. (go look at some of his highlight reels from last season)
    ~ and believe me, i'm not an lof. i'm a houstonian (but objective) and have been a rocket fan for many a year. i've seen great guard play from calvin to cassell.

    as far as asik, why would you let this beast go?
    suppose howard gets hurt again. without asik, we would once again be average at center. in other words, completely f****d!!!
    if other pieces (aldridge or serious pf upgrades) become available in the future then you have to consider them, but you have to let lin and asik be part of this new configuration. you have to see how their obvious talents can work in the next year.
    i guess i just see them (and not exclusively) both as leading the second unit. there is enormous honour in that. not to mention asik would not have to hold back, worrying about early foul trouble or getting spent too soon. he comes into the game full freaking throttle as a defensive killer. maybe try something unorthodox with howard and asik starting. you gotta try it.
    you have to give these guys their shot this year and they, themselves need to test this new situation.
     
  5. ttdestroyer

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    Your not the only one, but a lot of fans are taking a break from CF. As its gotten rather nasty, and negative despite all the good things happening.
     
  6. squidi141

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    wuh? he wasn't given an opportunity to be the PG> he was the SG the catch and shoot guy. And Lin played decent D, where Harden was almost a matador at times. That is the point of frame I am painting here. Harden is a more supreme athletic talent who is a bit longer and left handed as a bonus. But Harden never played with that sense of PG mentality. He can pass and is a team player in my opinion. The Rockets won't flow as well with Harden unable to make ball distribution decisions like Lin could and was able to prove as a Knick.
     
  8. squidi141

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    Harden isn't a better ball distributor than Lin. that was proven last year. and how many passes did we look at Harden and say, where were you thinking about passing it. Because Harden didn't have a plan for many stretches except to attack and kick out to the open man when double teamed. Where Lin many times has a plan to exploit match-ups, reads on zones and man to man pressure.

    TO say that you trust Harden to be your PG is pretty ridiculous when he was a turnover machine for big time games. And to say that Harden can be entrusted with decision making responsibilities like who gets the last shot at the end of games has proven to back-fired against McHale who put Harden in hero mode way too often.
     
  9. squidi141

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    Mchale made that decision to let Harden run the floor. I don't think it turned out well considering the Rockets lost many winnable games they should have not lost like the Kings and Suns. Harden is a star, but not the star of the team. The team now has a collection of talent that should become great if they gel. Parsons was more of a team-leader than Harden ever was. and Parsons played winning basketball , with some stretches of concentration lapses with turnovers, but he was just as big as Harden was.
     
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    All you're doing is bashing Harden to propup lin.Harden was hjust as good as lin if not better at getting his teammates going.
     
  14. jtr

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    Fixed your comment to actually fit the facts as opposed to a LOF's fantasies.
     
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    So you actually can't prove I'm wrong.. this is very funny indeed. THere is no fantasy here but your fantasy to degrade Lin as the PG of the team. There quite a few here that have an endless mission to do so. I am well aware of you people with agendas. I carry no agenda but to tell the truth, my biased friend. Since you can't actually prove i'm wrong, you are resorting to ad-hominem attacks which clearly indicate you can't prove what i said is wrong.

    No where am i degrading Harden as a player or any other rocket. You guys seem to love to degrade Lin as a B-Ball player. Can't pass, Can't shoot, Can't dribble.. LoL. really? you guys are hilarious. If lIn couldn't pass, shoot and dribble, why the hell did make the KNicks into a better team two years ago. Why did he average 6.2 assists per game with limited minutes and him not being the PG of the team. you guys are hilarious.
     
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  18. squidi141

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    chale made that decision to let Harden initiate the offense, which he clearly did at a superstar level last season. Several times last year the Rockets lost to inferior teams, but that even happens to the Miami Heat on occasion. Harden is a superstar, and last season was one of the top seven players in the NBA. The team now has a collection of talent that should become great if they gel. Parsons was more of a team-leader as chief 'bro'than Harden will ever be, but the heart and soul of the second best offense in the NBA last season was obviously Harden. and Parsons played winning basketball , with some stretches of concentration lapses with turnovers, but will never ever be an off

    1. Harden played amazingly well. but he did not play like a superstar. He did not make his team-mates better. And he was not an elite defender like Asik or Howard was.

    2. So the HEat lost to the Suns and Kings? really? and the reasons for those losses were to due to bad team-chemistry and harden playing selfishly at key moments? ya not exactly apples and apples comparison comparing the Heat to the ROckets.

    3. The heart and soul of the team was Lin, Parsons, and Asi. It was evident that Harden tried to take the mantle of team leader, but showed very little display of leadership in terms of being unselfish, working hard on the defensive end. THis year could be different. I think Harden has the potential to be a top5 star if he matures, no doubt. but to say he was the heart and soul is only your biased conjecture and uneducated opinion.
     
  19. Spiegel

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    Harden is a allstar entering superstar status. To suggest that Lin needs to have the same amount of role as him is absurd and irrational.You don't put the ball in Lin's hand and let him create for James. This is exactly why the suggestion of Lin as a 6th man makes sense.
     
  20. jtr

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    Given that I am the author of http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=242081&highlight=jeremy
    I cannot see how you can call me anything but optimistic about Lin's future as a Rocket.
     

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