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Do you believe Jeremy and Omer "are going to be here"?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jocar, Jul 23, 2013.

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Behind the scenes....

  1. Asik is still being offered.

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  2. Lin is still being offered.

    4.5%
  3. Morey's still making calls and both are actively being shopped.

    49.2%
  4. Morey meant it. Both are officially of the table, and this squad rolls out next season.

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  1. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    You have your own opinion, the rest of us have ours. You believe he is special and can be elite, that's fine. We all have pipe dreams. I strongly believe he is a mediocre PG and the Rockets's history of PG's proves it. We've had:

    - Aaron Brooks (prime)
    - Kyle Lowry
    - Goran Dragic

    Each those point guards were/are just as good (some were better IMO in fact) than Lin is currently. There are also many other not good PG's that in the league that are comparable to Lin.

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    Mediocre is EXACTLY what describes Lin. He is average, slightly above average AT BEST and started the season of in fact, below average. Not to say that being called mediocre is a bad thing either as at least Lin is not a scrub like Flynn and well actually have a pretty decent NBA career.
     
  2. chenjy9

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    We already have a PG currently that doesn't need the basketball to be effective. His name is Patrick Beverly. We also have Canaan and Brooks. I am not saying that Lin is worse than any of those players (I believe he is better than Bev, just not much for this team), but with 2 capable PG's and a potentially promising rookie, we won't have to look for another mediocre PG. Sure there will probably be a slight fall in PG quality, but I consider Parsons more important to the Rockets than Lin is. That said, if we have enough cap room to sign Parsons while still keeping Lin, by all means, I hope that happens.
     
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    1. You don't need "cap room" to keep Parsons. The Rockets have his Bird Rights.

    2. Parsons' contract doesn't expire until Lin and Asik's contract expire.

    3. Even if you choose to decline Parsons' team option so you can pay Parsons a year early (in exchange for some discount in future seasons), the Rockets can pay him whatever he wants with the Bird Rights and has plenty of financial ability to do so given that they are profitable and is not close to getting into the luxury tax in the 2014-15 season.
     
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    Certain aspects of his game are elite and there are stats to prove it. Which is more than enough for me to stop calling him mediocre.
     
  5. squidi141

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    They will be here. But you never know.
     
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    Let Lin play as the starting PG and we'll see if he is actually average as you claim. He wasn't the PG last year. He was anything but PG. Harden was the PG of the team, look how well that turned out.
     
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    It was that guy's opinion based on little evidence. SO i highly question that guy's credibility to say Lin is a below average PG in the NBA.

    I honestly don't know how good Lin will be, but I'm going to pre-judge the circumstances of the ROckets and Lin at this point.

    I am pretty sure McHale will Torpedo Lin again like he did last year. that much is guaranteed.
     
  8. chenjy9

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    Thanks for the comprehensive explanation. +REP

    I am all for letting Lin play starter again this season. I have said that countless of times. As for not being a PG last season, what honestly makes you think that is going to change? Harden is still our star and until he shows otherwise, will still be the one dominating the ball on the perimeter and not Lin. If anything, Lin's touches will be further marginalized to off the ball spot up shooting and transition running with Howard now on the team. Only one player can have the ball at any point in time and that's going to be either Harden or Howard usually.
     
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    Harden is not a ball distributor, point one.

    That title belongs to Lin, Point two.

    Last year McHale went againt intuition, for suspicious reasons and made Harden the PG.

    As for Harden being your star. he sure didn't play like it for many stretches and games last year. And the mantle of being a star was primarily perpetrated by the media and Kevin McHale.

    I would say now, that Howard is a bigger star than Harden ever was. and Lin has the chance to become a big star if he was allowed the oppotunity to become the PG of the Rockets. I honestly doubt that opportunity though.
     
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    You can think what you like. That is your prerogative. The fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, whether you want it or not, Harden is a star and he is OUR star. He is also a VERY YOUNG star, a baby star if you will and last year was the FIRST SEASON he was put in a star role. All things considered, he did a really good job. Is he going to stumble? Of course he will. Only idiots assume otherwise.

    It doesn't matter if Lin is a PG. If Harden, being one of our 2 stars, wants to play PG or wants the ball on the perimeter, HE GETS THE BALL. Lin's best bet if he wants to be the primary "point" is to go to another team or stay on when Harden sits to rest.

    I agree Howard is a far bigger star in the league, but guess what? He is also a CENTER. He is not going to be bringing the ball up the court. He is not going to be passing and making plays from the perimeter. He is not going to be breaking down the defense using penetration.

    I strongly believe McHale went with Harden because Harden is the best scorer on the team and Lin was so horribly inconsistent to start off the season. I will continue to believe in Harden because he is the primary reason we got to the playoffs and Dwight was willing to join our team. McHale has also shown during the playoffs that he is a pretty good coach. Has he had his ups and downs? Yes. That's why he's not Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, or Popavich. He is still however the coach that all his players and past players have loved and spoken well of.
     
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    Lin has billions of fans in Asia...

    It would be hard for les who loves the china connection to let him go.

    He would make Lin salary back easily.
     
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    How come he is not the top selling jersey in China then? I don't even think he is in the top 10 TBH. I definitely know he was not the top 10 internationally, though he did hit 2 in the US at one point.
     
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    When people look at Lins numbers last year and call him "average" for point gaurds they are doing him a disservice comparing him to other pgs. Anyone who watched all the games last year would know that he got very few minutes playing actual PG. He should be compared to other SGs, and amongst them he stacks up well above average especially for his experience level. He will only get better and furthermore as an asset right now he is currently undervalued in the market. It is certainly a bad thing for the rockets to sell so low right now.
     
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    Obviously Asik will be traded at some point this season whether that is before the season starts or during the trade deadline I don't know. More likely during the trade deadline. Morey is not the kind of guy who would let someone as valuable as Asik lose value sitting on the bench playing limited minutes a game. He will be moved this season his value is just to high. Whether Lin is dealt with Asik I don't know but I don't think morey feels the need to just trade Lin away for the sake of trading him. I am not an LOH or an LOF but I think Lin will have a lot to prove this season and I think he could be a solid peice of the team.
     
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    Forget selling low LOL, there is no one to even sell to right now for Lin. Who wants an average PG that's getting paid $15 mil his third year?
     
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    It worked against the Dolan, now Les/Morey have to eat it. There's a chance Lin improves to a point that his year 2 pay is under value, then may be that $15M won't be that bad in year three.
     
  18. hardenisaboss

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    HArden is a ball distributor, and pretty good at it. i would trust him more to be our pg then anyone else on the team but that would be the wrong thing to do since he is also our main scorer. Harden is a Superstar. Top 10 easy and next year might be in the convo for top 5.
     
  19. hardenisaboss

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    keep Lin and Asik till their contracts expire and only Asik if the right trade appears
     
  20. hardenisaboss

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    *only trade Asik (for the post above)
     

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