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11-year old Jemeniti girl Nada Al-Ahdal would rather die than get forced to marry

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I Could Marry Off My Six Year Old Daughter If I So Wished, Senator Ahmed Yerima Replies Critics

    As was expected, former governor and current senator of Zamfara State Ahmed Sani Yerima reiterated his support for marrying off underage girls Saturday saying he could give out his six-year old daughter in marriage if he so wished.

    Last Tuesday, the Senator successfully prevented an amendment to the second part of Section 22 of the constitution by the Senate, which dwells on affirming someone as of age once the person is married, though the person could be lower than 18 years in age.

    He answered his critics in an online publication saying he did not deserve such criticisms. Here is the full statement.

    Nigeria has many uncountable problems and none of them is early marriage.

    As a matter of fact early marriage (is) the solution to about half of our problems.

    For those who wonder if I can give my daughter(s) out in marriage at the age of 9 or 13, I tell you most honestly, I can give her out at the age of 6 if I want to and it’s not your business.

    This is because I am a Muslim and I follow the example of the best of mankind, Muhammad ﺻَﻠَّﻰ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻪِ ﻭَﺳَﻠَّﻢَ

    In Islam, marriage is not only about sex, it is about family and helping one another in achieving their goals, which is the attainment of Paradise.

    In Islam, a girl can be given out in marriage as early as 6 years old, but consummation of the marriage can only be done when the girl becomes physically mature and she gives her consent to it because unlike English law, it is not permissible for a man To Molest his wife in Shari’ah Law.

    So what can anybody tell me?

    ~ I live in a city where young girls at the age of 12 have already became serial fornicators and cannot count the number of man they’ve Were Intimate with.

    ~ I live in a City where primary school children disvirgin themselves behind toilets on Valentine day.

    ~ I live in a city where young girls flood the street at night looking for men that would give them N500 to Be Intimate with them.

    ~ I live in a city where parents send their daughters out overseas to prostitute and send dollars down.

    ~ I live in a City where Government officials pick undergraduates from Universitycar parks with Coastal Buses to wild sex parties.

    ~ I live in a city where abortion is so common that even a Chemist shop owner can perform abortion with just N2,500.

    These are your daughters, and this should worry you and not Yerima’s private matters.

    So ask me again why I support early marriage and I will slap the Jinn out of your head”.

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    Senator Ahmad Sani Yarima

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    The guy was a friggin governor. And you guys are complaining about your governor in Texas?

    knote32, you are right, if you are not delusional, there is nothing to debate.

    But it is important to drag these practices into the spotlight, as well as the delusional people who defend or tacitly tolerate such practices.

    There are 14 million girls under the age of 18 married each year.

    http://www.plan-uk.org/early-and-forced-marriage/
     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Mathloom told us that more than 90 % of all Islamic literature is produced with Saudi money.

    Now, look at this:

    Top Saudi cleric: OK for young girls to wed

    (CNN) -- The debate over the controversial practice of child marriage in Saudi Arabia was pushed back into the spotlight this week, with the kingdom's top cleric saying that it's OK for girls as young as 10 to wed.

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    "It is incorrect to say that it's not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger," Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, the kingdom's grand mufti, said in remarks quoted Wednesday in the regional Al-Hayat newspaper. "A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she's too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her."

    The issue of child marriage has been a hot-button topic in the deeply conservative kingdom in recent weeks.

    Late last month, a Saudi judge refused to annul the marriage of an 8-year-old girl to a 47-year-old man.

    (...)

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/saudi.child.marriage/index.html?iref=newssearch

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    Anyone who says this has nothing to do with religion is lying.

    And anyone who says there is nothing to debate either tacitly approves, wants to sweep this under the rug or doesn't realize that unfortunately, not everyone is as sane as they are (hello, knote32 ;)).
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Oh, and before someone pulls together some links about Hindu child marriages, etc.:

    Yeah, I know they also exist in other cultures - and that is equally bad - it's just that there is a much higher statistical correlation to Islam.
     
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    Here . . . we just shoot kids

    Rocket River
     
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  5. sammy

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    That's racist. :grin:


    ATW, I think what they're trying to say is that there really isn't anything to debate here...as on cfans. I doubt that there's anyone here that condones very young girls getting married to older men. That sweet girl should have been nurtured by her parents, but she got the opposite.

    An immaterial percentage of a 1.3 B people still adds up to a large number. I don't know any Muslims that would be ok with this type of stuff now. I say now because this is a cultural trait and not necessarily a religious one. Isn't it ok to hook up with a 14 year old girl in Italy? I could be wrong. This type of stuff was common practice all over the world not too long ago.
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Only if you are 15-17 ;).

    Or your name is Berlusconi...

    It's quite different - in Niger (by far predominantly Muslim), more than 70 % of girls under 18 are married...
     
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  7. sammy

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    There's that Wahabi influence at work again. They have the money to spread their BS.

    Backward idiots.
     
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    Poor girl. At least she has her uncle to go to, who seems to be far more reasonable than her mother.
     
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    Mainstream Islam is just slow to secularization. Until the early 1900's most western countries, including the US, did not have age of consent laws (or had very low ages of consent such as 10 yrs. old) and marriage with young girls was fairly common. A couple hundred years is not that long a time in the scope of human history. Additionally, lets not forget that there are still Christian sects in the US and around the world that also condone or even encourage marriage with young girls.

    That said, I wish this girl the best of luck and shame on her parents.
     
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    get this intellectually lazy trash out of here
     
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    Unfortunately this is what happens when a religion paints a man as the perfect human who has done ZERO wrong(Muhammad) and followers strive to achieve that level of "perfection" from how he hygiened himself to how he slept to how young the girls he fornicated with. Unfortunately one of those girls(Aisha) was under ten.
     
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    brave girl

    this is why religion is baddddddd when taken the wrong way
     
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    So are you choosing to completely ignore the fact that this filthy practice of forcing young girls to marry men happens in other parts of the world where Islam is not the dominant religion just because it doesn't fit your narrative of "I hate Islam and think it's evil"? :rolleyes:

    The fact of the matter is that this forcing of young girls to marry men is practiced by individuals from all religions(Hinduism, Christianity, Islam) especially in rural and uneducated parts of India and Sri Lanka.
     
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    According to Wikipedia this happens to be a problem in a lot of poor countries not just Muslim countries:

    Code:
    Rank 	Country 	% girls married
before 18
1 	 Niger 	75
2 	 Chad 	72
3 	 Bangladesh 	66
4 	 Guinea 	63
5 	 Central African Republic 	61
6 	 Mali 	55
7 	 Mozambique 	52
8 	 Malawi 	50
9 	 Madagascar 	48
10 	 Sierra Leone 	48
11 	 Burkina Faso 	48
12 	 India 	47
13 	 Eritrea 	47
14 	 Uganda 	46
15 	 Somalia 	45
16 	 Nicaragua 	43
17 	 Zambia 	42
18 	 Ethiopia 	41
19 	 Nepal 	41
20 	 Dominican Republic 	40
     
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    jackie you should propose to her.
     
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    It's a cultural thing. Air Langhi's post proves it.
     
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    This is the problem with this forum. This has to do with poverty, education, and a lack of education.

    Nearly every religion has had cases and times when its members engaged in child marriage - which is barbaric. But no where does Islam teach people to have child marriages. It's not a function of the religion but of the circumstances these people live in.

    It's ignorant to associate this practice with Islam. It needs to be solved via education and opportunity.
     
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    Saw this on reddit a few days ago. There were some insightful comments:

    ... and more.

    I get the impression that arranged marriages aren't unique to Islamic or Arabic societies. It may be more prevalent sure, but is certainly not unique. It's a terrible practice that's slowly being phased out of humanity, fortunately. I feel sorry for this girl.

    I could go on and on about how religion slows societal progress such as phasing out arranged marriage, but that would simply be inciting fevered debate about the merits of religion, a horse that's been beaten dead several times over. In this case, it seems to be more of a culture thing (Bedouin) rather than a religious thing, though; this group of Bedouins happens to have adopted Islam, but it's not the reason for arranged marriages, just like Christianity isn't for Christian Bedouins. You never really know the motivation for such things, but it's simply that it's acceptable in some societies, despite how disgusting the habit is.
     
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    I think your TRS-80 failed to replicate the HTML correctly -- those are footnotes #s.
     
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  20. AroundTheWorld

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    I saw this, too.

    But "under 18" is very broad. There is a huge difference between girls getting married at 16, 17, as it happens quite a bit, e.g., in Latin America (e.g., Nicaragua, Dominican Republic), and girls getting married off at 5, 6, 9, 10, 11.

    As I said, I am aware that this is not only a problem in Muslim countries (I underlined the ones above where Islam is the no. 1 religion) and there are certainly tribal, cultural, socio-economic reasons and just general ignorance (I am fully aware that no religion or group has a monopoly on ignorance!), but the big difference I see is that there is ONE religion where some of the top clerics actually justify and encourage this practice, and cite the founder of the religion as a shining example of why it is a good practice. The other ignorant ones "just" practice it, and I don't think they (except some Hindus?) practice it in such an extreme fashion as to marry actual children below the age of 12 years. 16 or 17 falls under this stat and is a HUGE difference to children below 12, 13 years.

    I would like to see the same statistics for children below 12 years of age. I'm pretty sure that the top 10 countries would be the Islamic countries plus India (which also has a large Muslim population, but I think the Hindus partly do this, too).
     
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