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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. NotInMyHouse

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    Why is there not more focus on this media and Hollywood slant? I agree with you there is a constant t narrative and it's terribly twisted. It's considered insensitive to depict Muslims as terrorists, but not insensitive (it would seem) to depict the black community as predominantly violent.
     
  2. DAROckets

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    The president even said as much in his speech

    Apparently some are naive and love making excuses for the facts .

    I did not make up these statistics , they are from a study conducted by Eric Holder . Read them and let it sink in .

     
  3. JayGoogle

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    I think at this point it's obvious that the media has their own game to play here whatever it is. They like to prod all sides of this because it likely just gets them ratings and to create a story.

    I think why it's not insensitive for the latter is because it's been going on for so long. No one even says anything about it, the whole "Black on Black" crime thing is just blindly accepted by a lot of black people as well.
     
  4. Granville

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    Do you want to comment on 1% of the population committing 27% of the murders? Do you think the extremely high rate of violent behavior for this 1% might be the reason that they are profiled?
     
  5. Lil Pun

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    I'm going to take a guess and say many of the people who take part in the stats you listed live in or around the poverty rate.

    I get sick of how much race is paid attention to. Yes, blacks make up a pretty alarming percentage of the criminal justice system but how about other factors? They receive harsher punishments than their counterparts for similar offenses. They make up over 60% of exonerations for wrong convictions. This tells me the same criminal justice system that prosecutes them is probably biased against them. The biggest issue is that whites make up 80% of the U.S. population yet only 13% of those living in poverty. While blacks make up 12% of the population yet 36% of the people living in poverty. Socioeconomic status is much more prevalent here than race. So blacks are 3x as likely to be poor than whites and 2x as likely to commit certain crimes, not really surprising as I am sure you would find much more in common with criminals and their socioeconomic status than race, which keeps getting pushed out like some type of real contributing factor.
     
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  6. Amiga

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    I haven't really followed this case closely.

    But I was curious at the message that TM is the one to be blamed for his death. I think that's pretty crazy. Correct me if evidence presented show otherwise, but it's pretty clear to me the kid was crazy scare and reacted like what most human would react when in fear - either fight or flight. In this case, he choose to fight. Whether or not he initiated it or that he defended himself is not clear but really doesn't matter. In either case, the end result is GZ felt his life was in danger and respond with deadly force (and the juror has found that is acceptable, as it should be IMO, to give a not guilty of murder verdict). A very unfortunate set of actions that lead to such escalation and death of kid that is DUE TO ASSUMPTIONS and likely mis-communication and not understanding what each other motive / wants / fear were at that moment.

    However, it's very clear to me that this was completely avoidable and the initial aggressor and incorrect assumption was that of GZ. He's not a murderer, but he's guilty of causing an unnecessary death and most of the blame is on him. I don't think the kid has much of a blame here. His action when facing fear seems quite understandable (even if he chooses to strike first).

    Lesson here is -- don't put yourself in that situation. Unless there is clear evidence, you should stay clear, observe from a distance and if necessary let it go than to put you and others in danger based on assumptions that easily can be faulty and that you have no idea how the other person is perceiving you and would react.
     
  7. Granville

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    There is no excuse for resorting to criminal behavior. Justifying criminal behavior for any race or socioeconomic status cripples people.
     
  8. Granville

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    The lesson is call the Police, find a safe haven, don't confront someone and then assault them.
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    What is up with those stats pushing out Hispanic and having White absorb Hispanic any ways?

    But hey if you want to continue to have that excuse to profile and stereotype have at it hoss. No one is stopping you.

    I think LilPun said all that needs to be said here. That has more to do with people in poverty than anything to do with race. If you think black people are inherently more violent then that's on you, if you want to profile and stereotype black people than that's on you, not sure why anyone needs a excuse to do so.

    Peddling out these stats is the same thing the KKK and other legit White Racists use to help convince others that their cause is a right one...

    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/white-supremacists-use.html

    So who is really race baiting here?
     
  10. Lil Pun

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    Who's trying to justify it, please show me where I said anything remotely close to that.....thanks.
     
  11. JayGoogle

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    You're right...now if you want to show the percentages on other crimes you'd find other races leading the charge there. What's the point?
     
  12. Granville

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    I figured that you wouldnt have a responsible answer. I didn't peddle ****. The facts were posted in this thread and you were stating that blacks were not more violent than the next race. I asked you to comment on the stats that contradicted what you said.

    Poverty is not an excuse to murder people. Keep walking with that crutch.
     
  13. JayGoogle

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    Do you believe that black people are more violent than other races.

    Yes or no question.
     
  14. khanhdum

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    alright let's blame the media and other races about the conception that blacks are more violent than other races. How about the blacks themselves and the gangster rap culture? A rapper has to have experience being in the drug culture and have that gangster life to really have cred as a rapper. Always rapping about selling drugs and killing people and etc. Blacks portray themselves as some hard as mother****ers who's in gangs and stuff like that. I don't have problems with blacks, but all this blaming others as racial profiling and being racist is stupid. Look at your own subculture first of what it's trying to portray to others.
     
  15. Lil Pun

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    Again who's using it as a crutch? Quit making stuff up because nobody did that. The fact is the poorer you are the more likely you are to commit crime for whatever reason regardless of your race. Blacks make up a much larger portion of the poor populous than whites so it should be no surprise they make up a larger portion of he criminal justice system but if you look at the socioeconomic status of other criminals it would look very similar.
     
  16. khanhdum

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    sounds like a crutch to me, so you're saying because blacks are more prone to being in poverty, instead of getting an education to better yourself and earn a legit and great paying job, they rather just commit crimes? I don't know what's more of a crutch and taking responsibility. My family was dirt poor and gotten robbed many times living in the hood (acres home in the 90's) but my family just kept working hard and saved and got us out of there to a better living situation, with no other family in the USA.
     
  17. Lil Pun

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    Yes, all black people follow and attempt to emulate the culture you speak of.:rolleyes:
     
  18. JayGoogle

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    Rap is not the problem. It's just music, just like any form of music it can be bad or good. Again, I know plenty of black people that grew up on NWA, Tupac, Biggie, Jay-z back when he was that kind of rapper, etc etc...now in post-grad school etc etc.

    That's just parenting. If you have solid parents, if you look up to your parents before some guy on television it's much more likely you'll do well then not.

    What's equally stupid though is this idea that black people are inherently more violent. That's the real race baiting here, and stuff like that keeps racism alive. I mean it's stuff real racist groups use to keep that division alive.
     
  19. khanhdum

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    didn't say all, it's pretty damn hard to speak for a whole damn race. but it's that culture of rap music.

    i don't have a problem with rap music or blacks. i use to be heavy into the sneaker game, fitted, etc. but still, if a large portion of that's what black music is portraying, then you blame the media for saying black people are violent
     
  20. Lil Pun

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    No, you said that. More in poverty = more will commit criminal activity, there's no hidden meaning behind that, which you attempted to add, other than race is insignificant because criminals will have similar socioeconomic backgrounds.

    It's easy to say that type of thing but harder to do, not for black people but poor people in general because poverty is usually a sad and endless cycle although some do make it out the fact is most of the time they don't.
     

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