Lets not use the example you provided because that's not what happened in this case. That's a debate that you lost badly and there's no sense going there. As far as your opinion on whether GZ should have a CHL permit. That's for the law to decide and I haven't heard where he is losing his privilege to carry. We can't go TM and RJ and decide the opinion of our neighborhood peeps over rides common sense/civility and laws.
You're really jumping the gun here. All I'm saying is that Trayvon deserves the same presumption of innocence that GZ had. I get it that you and texxx and Daro believe TM should be presumed guilty without a trial. I just disagree.
The terms used to describe a screwdriver were made up. Call it stolen jewelry when none of it was reported stolen is made up. I stick by that because it's the truth. You can believe whatever you want about the evidence, but none of it went the scrutiny of a defense under trial with Trayvon Martin being represented. Sorry, I'm not willing to pronounce stuff about TM that makes him out to be guilty of crimes he's never even been charged with let alone tried for. I get that in Trayvon's case you're willing to pronounce him guilty with a crime. I'm not going to play that game, and if you and your other Zimmerman supporters want to play it, I'll call it out every time I see it.
" The terms used to describe a screwdriver were made up " lmao ok .. don't even know what to say to that bs and the jewelry fit the description of jewelry that was taken a block from the school . I never said he was guilty but it should at least be in the conversation . I imagine if it goes to a civil trial that all of it will be scrutinized . I'm guessing it wouldn't matter to you anyway , would just be some kind of conspiracy to make poor little tray look bad .
Calling a screwdriver a burglary tool is indeed made up. The description fit stolen jewelry description? If I say I had a GOLD NECKLACE stolen then any gold necklace would meet that description. The bottom line is that NONE of the stolen jewelry in Martin's possession had ever been reported stolen. I'm sorry that bothers you, but it's the truth. None of the evidence or claims of matching jewelry has ever undergone the scrutiny of defense or a trial, so I'm not going to use it to brand Trayvon as guilty. As for guessing what would and wouldn't matter to me is up to you to guess. I've said that Martin appeared to be a wannabe thug, but I don't believe that's all he was nor the only outcome that could have awaited him. He had a family that he loved, and loved him. He was really close friends with that Jeantel witness that seemed like someone who would be very hard to get along with if it were me, yet he was apparently a good friend to her and it went both ways. So he had good qualities as well. He was interested in watching the NBA All Star game and that I can definitely identify with. But when people start claiming he was caught with burglary tools when the guy had a screwdriver it starts getting ridiculous. He had a female's jewelry and a screwdriver. None of the jewelry he had was ever reported stolen, and he didn't have burglary tools unless someone has an interest in trying to make the dead unarmed teen look bad. He didn't have lock picks, crowbar, slim jim, or anything else like that. I'm trying to take the media spin out of this. Calling a screwdriver a burglary tool is media spin.
I generally don't think much of anything that Quanell X does. I'm not thinking much about this. I could care less.
I think it is grandstanding and illogical. The people in River Oaks had nothing to do with the shooting, the investigation or the trial. There is no evidence that people in Forida from the same social status as River Oaks had anything to do with it. The only reason to do it is to try to attract attention.
I agree with this and I can relate to Travyons life . I too was a troubled teen so know what it's like . I am not trying to do anything but look at all aspects and not just pick and choose the things that fit my narrative . I never said he was involved in theft or burglary, but I do believe he at least was involved with others who may have been . ( he claimed the items were a friends ) and that it should at least be in the discussion . You accused people of " making it up " and that is just looking at the situation with blinders on .You think it's commonplace for 17 year old boys to carry around womens jewlery and screwdrivers in their backpack , ok whatever ..
I have seen cases charged as possession of burglary tools for possessing a screwdriver. It depends on context.
Will the court allow Trayvon's background stuff to become part of the defense's evidence in a civil trial?
Not the person you are asking, but fyi, though the juror doing all the media interviews said she believes Zimmerman feared for his safety and life, she did not necessarily believe his head was pounded, or pounded repeatedly into the ground. If you asked me the same question, I'd answer as the person you asked... based on the superficial injuries he received (bloody nose, two small cuts on his head) he was not justifiedin shooting Martin. Your hypothetical (smashing repeatably) was not proven in court by evidence, but was only testimony provided and now your own supposition.
In response to both of your questions, character evidence, which is all the "background" stuff, is generally inadmissible for civil suits in most US states unless that stuff is relevant to the charged crime, which it isn't here. Some states do allow the defendant to bring in character evidence, at which point the plaintiff can also start using such evidence. I don't know if Florida is one of those states, but Zimmerman has the upper hand in either case given how the criminal trial turned out.
You obviously have no idea about CHL permits and the training required to have one. People who get a CHL are usually trained not to do exactly what Zimmerman did. It is not a license to do the job of the police by tailing somebody you think is suspicious. That creates a dangerous situation and, being lawfully armed, you have a responsibility to society not to create such a situation. If he had seen Martin committing a violent crime or actually committing a burglary, that would be a completely different story, but even Zimmerman didn't allege that. All of this will likey come up because, following a shooting, his CHL may come up for review. His entire history with the police and judicial system would be fair game. In Texas, his prior restraining order and charge of assaulting an officer likely would have caused his CHL application to be denied.
He doesn't live in Texas so you can shut up about that. I could care less what your interpretation of the events that night were. A court of law found that he had he used the weapon lawfully. End of story move on.
