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Prediction: would McHale still running Harden ISO?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CARoxNut, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. CARoxNut

    CARoxNut Member

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    I always believe running ISO is a sign that the coach is getting lazy. Whether its McHale with Harden or Jackson with Jordan. No need to draw up any play, no need for instructions for the other four players, just give the ball to the best player and have the teammates watch. For me, that is street ball, not organize team sport. Thats why, although McHale has done a decent job last season, I still have reservation about his coaching ability. McHale ran way too much iso even in some games Harden was obviously off.

    Now with the addition of Howard, assuming he is the second option behind Harden, and a reliable one, would McHale still rely on iso Harden? I hope not. Now we can PnR all night with Harden/Howard or Lin/Howard, alley oop with Howard, low post with Howard and in and out. Lets hope McHale limits iso to a bare minimum. Imagine telling Howard stays at the corner and watch.
     
  2. arjun

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    Lol I think the question is will Harden still be running Harden ISO.

    If you remember, McHale said many times iso ball (ESP at the end of games) is terribly ineffective. And when harden did run it in the playoffs, mchale was PISSED.
     
  3. CometsWin

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    Depends on the game situation. If Terry Cummings is trying to cover Dream one on one then you iso all night long. The goal is winning, not aesthetic team basketball. McHale though is on record saying he didn't like the iso ball. If you listen to McHale he's always saying ball movement, player movement is what he wants.
     
  4. fattz

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    Harden just got a little more coachable; with KMH able to bench him now.

    Lin/Howard PnR > Harden ISO BUT Harden/Howard PnR is even better.

    He will still get his ISO just not at the end of games.
     
  5. CARoxNut

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    Are you telling me Harden do whatever he wants to do without blessing? I can't believe that. If that is true ( I do remember MaHale saying something in regards to the ball getting sticky thou ), Harden the diva? Hard to believe.
     
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    Every single team in the league runs isolations for their best offensive player. So yes.
     
  7. Scolalist

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    You know the Rockets run just as much ISO as any team with a bona fide superstar and it has been majorly overblown on clutchfans.

    ISO is the smartest play to run at the end of quarters taking either the final shot or running enough time off the game clock too not allow an opposing team to run a set play.

    Having a young inexperienced team probably added to the amount of ISO possessions but you can't run pick and roll or have an open lane to the basket on every possession. Having a much improved inside outside game and more familiarity with each other will help curb some of the ISO

    Rockets still moved the ball pretty well for a young team and had one of the better offenses in the NBA last season.

    Sick of talking about ISO. Miami and SA did plenty of it in the finals.
     
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    I think we will see Harden isolation plays this year and will continue until we can get a top 20 starting point guard in the NBA. Until then it just doesn't make sense to entrust crucial possessions with bad basketball players.
     
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    Mchale didn't run those iso's....harden did...thats why i feel he needs to change his game, make a move quicker, either pass, shoot or attack quickly....u said jackson with jordan? lol i dont know if u watch the bulls games, but jordan never iso'ed as much as harden or lebron....jordan makes cuts and comes off screens and could catch and shoot or catch and attack
     
  10. munco

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    Yes because McHale is a mediocre coach.
    It's just a matter of time but people will eventually realize he's not a good coach. See Mike Brown.
     
  11. munco

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    And what about the other 3 guys on the floor? More like a terrible coach than a non top 20 PG.
     
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    When did ISO become such a dirty word around here anyway?

    I don't remember all of the complaints when we'd isolate Yao on the block 15-20 times a game.
     
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    I agree. We should iso Lin instead because it's called teamwork and ball movement when he dribbles in circles under the backboard, and is forced to pass out.

    I'll bet OP didn't use the word ISO one time while he watched Lin constantly run it on the Knicks.
     
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    A lot of Harden ISO happened late in the season last year...and we did lose games because of it. I think Harden felt that he had to take it upon himself to get the Rox into the playoffs. As Harden gets older, and more experienced, he will learn that there are ways to win games w/out him having to do anything. Honestly I think that to a great extent Harden didn't entirely trust his teammates--and it wasn't just guys like DMo. He didn't trust Asik's ability to catch the ball, or Lin's consistency with his shot, or Delfino (who was sick and/or hurt near end of the year), or even Parson who was at times inconsistent with his 3 ball (remember his slump) or Beverly who once went 4 games in a row where he didn't score a single point. Lack of trust between teammates leads to ISO basketball. This year things should be different.
     
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    For starters it's boring as heck. And also we score more points the other way.
     
  16. kuku

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    Derailed! Just blame it on Lin. I would too.......

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  17. Rox23

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    Yao shot like 53% from the field. Harden last year shot--what, like 43%...? Also Yao would get double teamed way more often than Harden does now, which leads to space and ball movement. By the way...Yao never took 20 shots/game; McGrady would, but not Yao. Yao rarely took over 15 shots (usually it was 13 or 14).
     
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    ISO will work a lot better now that we have Dwight. Doesn't mean it should be our go to play, but it'll be a lot harder for teams to defend in late game situations because of the risk of leaving Dwight wide open in the paint. Only reason it got such a bad rep last season was because it became predictable
     
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    Hate to say it, but if there is one really good way to get Harden out of ISO mode and more into body movement and team-play style mode--um, put the ball in Jeremy Lin's hands. Beverley alongside Harden will be a Harden ISO every time.
     
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