All four of those points are about as relevant as TM having skittles on his possession. Absolutely none. What is relevant is GZ was not breaking any laws when he was allegedly following TM. He also was not breaking any laws when he was conceal carried. So therefore, whether GZ was following TM or not is irrelevant. The only two relevant points are 1) Who physically started the confrontation and 2) Did GZ truly fear for his safety. Everything else is a red herring. Bringing it up only gives the media what they want; controversy.
not entirely true since the prosecution suggested racial profiling and the DOJ certainly will look at it from the racial lens
Ah, so we're falling back on the white privilege argument? This DID NOT have anything to do with race until the race hustlers showed up and made it about race. YOU are naive for falling for it. Take the particulars and the evidence in this case, and there is ZERO evidence that and racially-motivated crime was committed. Anything else you add on top of that was external and HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE. Did you know that one of the prospective jurors was a black man who claimed that he was open-minded and was prepared to be swayed by the evidence? Alas, he claimed that he watched FOX news, so he was struck from the jury pool by the prosecution. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/a-fox-ne...r-ideology-embarrasses-race-obsessed-pundits/ Lol, White-Hispanic is a real thing. Any one that thinks otherwise don't actually understand how it works. All it says is that culturally you are hispanic (you speak spanish, born in a spanish speaking country) but you are actually white. That's all it means. [/QUOTE] Bull*hit. If that is the sort of logic we're going to follow then President Obama is a "white African-American". Culturally, he is a white man. He was raised by a white mother and only speaks like a black man when he's pandering. He is fully immersed in white culture, yet he is actually a (half) black man. You choose one or the other. Zimmerman chose hispanic. He is hispanic. Your pathetic attempts to call him white are nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to blame Martin's death on white culture. THAT is exactly the sort of thing that animates white people to argue so strongly about this. The absurdity, that is.
“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.” That email address, which is now in operation, is Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov. Sounds like a government sponsored witch hunt to me.
Actually, all four of these "facts" are wrong. Myth #1. THC was found in Trayvon's blood at very low levels. However, THC stays in the system for a long time so it can't be known whether TM was on drugs or not. Conversely, George Zimmerman, who was seeing a psychologist for some sort of mental issue(s), was taking prescribed drugs that are associated with paranoia and other side effects. Myth #2. Many have misconstrued TM reaching into both of his pockets for change in the 7-11 video as him staggering around. You can clearly see that the 7-11 clerk treats him as a regular customer, accepts his money and moves on with his day. Funny how when you just go about your business and don't try to be a copy, no one gets hurt huh? Myth #3: The FBI investigation uncovered that one of GZ's cousins said his entire family held racist views towards blacks. This is the same cousin who said GZ sexually molested her for years. Myth #4: How on God Green's Earth do you position that as a fact? Your only source for this is George Zimmerman since that is the only human being on the face of this Earth who has made such a claim. That you present this as FACT instead of just parroting Zimmerman's side of the story shows incredible bias. Can you cite a single other human being or piece of evidence to support this claim?
I am sure that DOJ will make every effort they can for theatrical purposes to make it look like they really want to bury Zimmerman, but it isn't going anywhere. Their case is even weaker than the state case was, and Zimmerman's defense has the FBI report on the case to fall back on, which found no evidence of racial bias in the case. I just wish that Zimmerman - or anyone else in a position like his, who was being targeted with the full power of the government in politically motivated witch hunt spurred by mob action - had a real form of redress. Sure, he can try to sue, but that won't go anywhere either. The biggest tragedy is not that Zimmerman will "get away with it", it's that the government will get away with targeting individual citizens like this for political purposes.
Bull*hit. If that is the sort of logic we're going to follow then President Obama is a "white African-American". Culturally, he is a white man. He was raised by a white mother and only speaks like a black man when he's pandering. He is fully immersed in white culture, yet he is actually a (half) black man. You choose one or the other. Zimmerman chose hispanic. He is hispanic. Your pathetic attempts to call him white are nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to blame Martin's death on white culture. THAT is exactly the sort of thing that animates white people to argue so strongly about this. The absurdity, that is.[/QUOTE] This obsession with the "White-Hispanic" characterization isn't well founded. How different is calling Zimmerman "half white, half hispanic" (which he clearly is) and a "white hispanic". It's trivial. You don't "choose" one or the other. If your mom is black and your dad is white, you are half-black and half-white. Period.
Why is this political? What strikes me as strange about this whole thing is that a teenage kid is dead and conservatives like yourself from the start lined up behind Zimmerman. Right from the start. No let's have a trial, no let's hear all the facts, or lets have a full investigation, none of that. It's telling and you wonder why the Republican Party strikes out so badly with minorities. You all are completely tone deaf to the racial nonsense that goes on every day in this country. You bend over backwards not to look for the whole truth but to give the benefit of the doubt when these cases come around. This is page one of this thread. Notice he didn't say the victim, the deceased, the teenager, he referred to him as the black. This is the joke of a poster that runs around here claiming there's no proof to his racism. On page 2, here is ole texxx speaking to the irrelevance of Zimmerman's previous arrest though later Martin school record was a huge piece of evidence against him for some odd reason. On page three he says this Then he goes full black teen must be suspicious. Then it wasn't Trayvon the crackhead or running like he stole something (definitely not racist, no proof) it was not enough respect for the neighborhood watch captain. Right from the start this was the take and now we have the logic, truth, and justice warriors talking about how race didn't play a role in this case. Brilliant.
Particular white people never think anything is about race, reality be damned. Actually, the police referenced Zimmerman as white and so did Martin. He may call himself Hispanic but the police and Martin thought he was white. I guess the police description was just a pathetic attempt to blame Martin's death on white culture. Harhar
Believe what you what, the fact that you have several well known attorneys and people acknowledging the fact that the Criminal Justice System doesn't exactly favor black people is as close to fact as can be. The numbers on mar1juana arrest would tell you this, the facts on SYG verdicts would tell you this, history tells you this. The fact that people are easily able to sympathize with people that look like themselves is science. Don't know what else to tell you about that. Again, you are looking at the case and case alone. Others are looking at other events as to why the police was willing to let Zimmerman go after killing a man and not charge him with anything. THAT...THAT is what started this whole thing. Then when more info came out about the actual events, that's when people started to say Trayvon was profiled. etc etc. You keep trying to strawman this into only being about whether Trayvon was killed because he was black. It's more to it than that. And? The prosecution striking him out doesn't excuse it as a mistake. White people that argue so strongly about White-Hispanic are just ignorant how race is classified. You do know on the consensus and race data that they count race in America as White-Hispanic and Non White-Hispanic? All it says is that -You were born in a spanish speaking country, culturally you are spanish/latin - Your parents were, which would of course make you. - Your family is actually from Spain There are three types of hispanics basically. White, Black, Mestizo. You can still be white...very very white, blonde hair, blue eyes, the whole bit...and still be spanish. If you don't understand this then I don't know what else to tell you about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Latin_American There's the general info for all these people that think White-Hispanic is some made up race. All it says is culturally you are spanish, but racially you are White. But basically if you don't understand that spanish/latin people can be white you are showing your ignorance on that subject. Plain and simple.
I can only speak to a couple of these, but... Martin had been suspended from school for having a baggie with mar1juana residue inside of his backpack at school. He'd already smoked the weed. Do you think we're stupid? BTW, I used to administer drug tests, and THC does NOT stay in your system for very long at all. That is a common misconception that authorities like to have floating around. Unless you are a heavy user it is gone within a few days. This would be the same FBI report that found the lead investigator on the case concluding that Zimmerman was not a racist? Seriously, the race-baiting is going NOWHERE in this case. There is absolutely no way that he goes down for hate-crime charges. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/cop-told-fbi-zimmerman-not-a-racist-765093
See? Martin's school record, relevant. Zimmerman's previous arrest, restraining order against him, and rejection from police department are irrelevant. The double standards in full view by the truth, logic, and justice warriors.
No. Conservatives like me lined-up against the mainstream media pushing the racial angle (conservatives usually go against the liberal media) and lying. What is your contention anyways? That conservatives want to see black kids dead? Maybe your contention is conservatives like Mexican men. Show me the conservative who called for no investigation? Good grief, why am i even trying to have a conversation with you?
People don't understand it. Trust me. People fail to understand that you can be black hispanic or white hispanic. I am often surprised at how many people just completely fail to understand it. Zimmerman can still be full on white and still be a white hispanic. All it would mean is that his parents have a spanish background, maybe they are from Latin America or whatever...but still..they are white. Case in point, most people in Argentina.
Er, no, it's not "as close to fact as can be", it is people's various opinions, which may or may not be close to fact. Yours as well. Show me some stats or shut up. That is undeniably true, as evidenced by the thousands of idiots who have been blocking traffic, mobbing retail stores, and causing other general disturbances all in the name of Trayvon, a person they never knew and certainly never actually cared about as an individual. But he was black, and they were black, so they will sympathize with him, facts be damned. They didn't charge him because THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE! This case never made it to a grand jury, because they knew a grand jury would've rejected it. You guys REALLY need to look at the actual evidence in this case. It never should have come to trial. My God, was there ever a statement more projective than this? YOU are using a strawmen argument in corralling this into an argument over his blackness. I couldn't care less what color he was, and it never was important to this case. Martin was killed because he attacked a man with a gun. THAT is as simple as it gets. Had he not done that he'd be alive today, and we'd be arguing about some other race-baited incident. So don't preach to me about how racially un-diverse the jury was. The prosecution had their chance at an "inclusive" jury, but thwe passed it up because the man had an open mind. The HORROR! Bah, blah. "Black people that argue so strongly about Black-Hispanic are just ignorant how race is classified." See how that works? Meaningless. If you mean Census data, yes, I am aware of that. And which one defines it? If a person says that their color is white but they are ethnically hispanic, then how are they classified? They are freaking hispanic. Just as if someone were to put white/African-American, they are classified as AA. I can name quite a few pasty-colored African Americans who I am sure would not appreciate being called "white". Your point is ridiculous. And they ALL identify as hispanic. They don't say "oh, I'm white-hispanic" or whatever, they claim "hispanic". WTF is wrong with you, dude? Zimmerman himself identifies as hispanic. Why are you SOOOOO desperate to paint him as white? (rhetorical question, I already know the answer)
- The question was whether Martin was on drugs at the time of the incident. Martin could easily have used it a day or 2 earlier and not been influenced/impaired by the very small amount in his system per the toxicology report, an amount so small the defense didn't even broach the issue. Clearly, he was a mar1juana user. My mistake for not explaining I was only referring to the night in question. - Even if we accept that TM was on drugs that night, it's pure hypocrisy to not consider that GZ was as well. Care to explain why only TM's use is relevant but not GZ's?! - I'm well aware the FBI concluded Zimmerman was not a racist (either that or they found their investigation inconclusive, not sure which it was). If you read the context of the response, it was to refute a false claim that no one had ever accused GZ of racism. There was at least that one person and it was a family member.
Really? The biggest tragedy is not the dead 17 year old walking home from the store it's the evil gubmint witch hunt? Really? Good call buddy.
I don't care if TM was on drugs that night. It has no bearing on the case. Zimmerman took Adderall for ADD, which is hardly relevant either. You tried to use that FBI report to paint a picture of Zimmerman as a racist, when the truth couldn't be more different. I am simply pointing out that your arguments are nonsense. That is all.
Really? Did you read this thread? Did you read the quotes I posted? Did you? This is the absence of actively calling against something constitutes support of calling for something. Weak... There at several of you calling a DOJ investigation of hate crimes a witch hunt. Sounds like support to me. You so funny.
