I understand that. I'm going by the evidence. GZ felt that he did know what happened, and how it happened. At least according to Zimmerman he was clear enough to know that TM was on top of him with his knees straddling his armpits, and that TM reached and grabbed a gun that was holstered on the backside of his hip and that was tucked inside his pants. That's the evidence in this trial. It might be different if GZ claimed that he wasn't sure at what point TM grabbed the gun, or that it could have happened at one point or another. That's not what GZ said in his statements that are evidence for the trial. That isn't what the defense team for GZ claimed during the closing argument or at any point in the trial. So either GZ was lying about what happened or was sure about it happening a way that it didn't which makes his statements unreliable, or it wasn't self defense.
You're the one who brought race into this. I haven't mentioned it. I'm not talking about it now. You have a history of inserting race into all kinds of discussions where nobody else is talking about race. So you might want look in the mirror when calling someone a race hustler. What I'm talking about isn't amateur CSI, it's evidence in the trial. I see you still can't explain it.
Just saw an interview with a family member of TM and he said he has "inside info" that the jurors are currently at 5-1 in favor of 2nd degree murder. I found that interesting. I can't imagine that is legal for that info to be getting out. Of course it could be total BS as well, because the guy seemed like a nut job.
I know and my point is that it's a fluid situation with lots of movement ,thrashing etc . Also I don't get how ppl come up with the belief that it would be impossible for him to reach the gun . Is this based off that thing with the rigid dummie and the guy getting on him ? If so that proved absolutely nothing .
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Seriously, I think I just lost an IQ point just by reading it.
Not sure what your point is here. I was just relaying what I saw on TV and really haven't been following this case close enough to know or care either way which way the verdict will go. What were you doing....other than being a douche?
If of really think that Martin bashed Zimmerman's head into the pavement a dozen times and Zimmerman walked away without a skull fracture, you either have no clue as to anatomy or you are not very bright.
If he is talking to the jury, that is a violation of the sequestration order and probably felony jury tampering. I would imagine that the DA will be investigating this claim.
Wtf? There is no way that is true. Sorry I've been awy from the trial for a little bit, but are the jurors still deliberating? If they haven't even left there is 0 chance this is true.
Well there is a chance that a bailiff could have leaked some info . Seems I remember this happening in another case
Not knowing Florida criminal law and any Florida court cases construing this word, I read it to mean that the killing was necessary. In other words, the killing must have been the ONLY option available to Zimmerman to avoid his own demise.
I switch my opinion. After some thought, I think GZ should be set free. He acted recklessly, foolishly, and irresponsibly. His actions were negligent and disobeyed the training he received. His actions that day led to the teens death. But does he deserve to go to jail for 20 years? The fact is that TM was probably on top of him. TM made a huge mistake in attacking GZ. It's hard to understand why TM would do that, and it does appear that GZ was the one screaming based on eye-witness testimony. There's just not enough to convict GZ. He's a dirtbag for sure. But he shouldn't go to jail. If it is legal to shoot someone who is punching you while being on top of you, the GZ should walk.
just pointing out how absurd that was. No mention of what you were watching, when this interview took place, who was being interviewed. Of all people to know what's going on, all of a sudden GZ's neighbour knows what the jury has decided.
Manslaughter is manslaughter. He should have thought of that before playing cop. Being reckless has it's price. His recklessness caused a person to lose his life. For no reason. Regardless of TM beating the crap out of him, he decided to pursue TM and now he has to pay the price.
If it's the guy named Frank ? Seen this guy a couple of times and he seems to enjoy taunting and getting others to lose their cool .
proper thing would be a manslaughter decision. it sends a message to the country that you just cant shoot somebody because you felt "threatened." that's not how a civilized society conducts itself. You kill somebody, there should be some kind of punishment.
Your opinion isn't a silly one. I understand it. I still have the same opinion that it should be manslaughter. The Jury has no idea about the sentencing of the different verdicts. So they won't be using that in their determination. Other witnesses say it was TM screaming for help, so it's up to whichever one you believe. The reason I believe TM was screaming is that the screaming stopped immediately after the shot was fired. If I was screaming for help and scared for my life and great bodily harm so much that I felt I needed to shoot someone, I would stop after I shot. I probably wouldn't have just shot once either. I would have shot several times, and continued screaming, or screamed even more for at least a few seconds. That's why I believe it was TM screaming for help. I haven't seen any evidence the GZ feared for his life or that self defense happened the way it said it did, or was even possible. Since it wasn't self defense it was manslaughter. If TM did attack GZ, I think it was because he saw GZ either taking or trying to take his gun out, and that scared TM, and he attacked. His attack may not have kept GZ from getting the gun free and he died. That part isn't evidence that I'm using to base my guilty of manslaughter charge on, it's just a guess that makes sense with the evidence.
