There's only one witness saying TM started the fight and that's the guy that shot and killed him who's story of self defense and how it happened doesn't make any sense.
Not exactly. Stand your ground was designed to protect those who, in gong about their lives are attacked without provocation (ie being mugged in a parking lot, etc). The real question is whether stand your ground should be extended to protect those who go looking for trouble and find it.
1. This describes (as I did) TM's knees up by GZ's armpits-- not TM sitting on GZ's armpits. This is in-line with my depiction not yours. 2. Horse****! From a standing position, you cannot roll a large apple up and down your washboard abs without touching your T-shirt or sweatshirt... and you would have the heavier sweatshirt "floating" further away from your body. CONGRATULATIONS, you've just broken the ancient, angry-white-man's Laws of Gravity!! :grin:
GZ's own 911 call showed he was in pursute of TM even when 911 said to stop. That to me was the beginning of the end and was started by GZ. And from TM's point of view, you have some strange dude following/chasing you in the rain. He runs and GZ runs after him. It gets to a point where running isn't working so he stands his ground. A fight begins. GZ is losing and breaks out the gun. If I am a juror, I view this as something that should not have happened and GZ is the one that started it and finished it.
Don't believe GZ ever ran. In fact, he couldn't find TM (as GZ reported) and TM jumped him on the way back to his truck (as GZ reported). Has anything ever overturned this sequence of events? Also, is it true that TM backtracked several blocks to return to GZ? I asked this earlier and I don't think anyone addressed it.
So you believe a guy who abused his wife and got into a fight with a cop? Man you people are so gullible
If TM would have continued walking home because for a time GZ didn't even know where he was none of this would have happened. That is what instigated this. GZ lost him and when he was walking back to his truck, TM was standing at the T and staring at him. What in the world was TM doing except instigating the situation. The community is clearly marked as a community watch neighborhood. A little clear thinking on TM part and he would still be alive instead of attacking someone he didn't know and being shot in self defense.
It has never been established by the evidence that GZ was walking back to his truck. It has been established that he was following TM. The fact that this is a neighborhood watch community is irrelevant. It is not designated as a neighborhood armed pursuit community.
1. Again with TM's knees at GZ's armpits there is no way that TM sees and grabs a gun that was underneath GZ's backside of his hip, and tucked inside a holster inside GZ's pants. It can't happen. 2. If I'm standing in my sweatshirt with my arms forward, I absolutely can. It has nothing to do with gravity. It has to do with the way loose clothing bunches up. Self defense may have happened, but there really isn't anyway it happened in the manner GZ claimed it did. Since they didn't put forward a different manner in which it could have happened, then it wasn't self defense.
Why was GZ out of his car in the first place? The police dispatcher told him not to pursue him, but GZ the wanna be cop thought not this time, this time he'll take matters in his own hand. But wait you believe that GZ didn't know what street was on, so that's wju he was out of his car. Man I hope one night you get stalked and know how trayvon was feeling that night.
Where did you get your narrative? Are you just making it up just to make a case? Check the time when: TM was staring at him and GZ started the pursuit. "This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."[00:25] "Now he’s staring at me." [00:48] "Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."[1:03] "He’s got something on his shirt." "He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is." [01:20] "These assholes. They always get away."[1:39] "He’s running." [2:08] 911 dispatcher: "Are you following him?" [2:24] "We don’t need you to do that." [2:26] Pursuit started. If your story was based on GZ interview, then it isn't backed up by GZ 911 call.
from the black hair media forum I frequent... http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/upd...an-charge-w-murder-2_topic337097_page882.html
1. It's not illegal to follow someone. It just isn't it. Also, GZ said he had stopped following TM. 2. If you start the fight and the fight progresses to the point where I have a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm, then I can shoot you. Even if I started the fight, I might still have a self-defense case, but that's much harder to prove. 3. All 50 states now allow conceal carry, so people are "running around with guns on the street." 4. Murder rates are lower now than when we had more gun control.
Not true. The dispatcher told him that they did not need him to do that. That is not the same in either tone or clarity as a direct command to stop. Furthermore, Zimmerman claims he had stopped.
I think the trial evidence proved beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense. There is no way TM could have seen and reached for a gun while in the position GZ claimed. It just isn't possible. That's what the trial hinges on.
Uh, no. Even without that reaching, GZ has a credible self-defense claim that the prosecution never disproved. If the jury does it job properly by following the law and applying the facts to the law, there will be an acquittal. If they are swayed by raw emotion, they will send an innocent man to prison for a very long time.
Does the evidence line up? The police thought so. I forget the details on the wife except that they had mutual restraining orders. Your use of "abused" is kind of reckless. IIRC, Zimmerman went after a cop when he was drunk as a 20YO. This is not pointing toward sociopathic behavior, is it?
