Sorry, but it shows that you haven't read much of the thread. Immature logic and claims based on your own emotions and opinions not rooted in facts. Sorry, but you're embarrassing yourself here.
Rolling to get the gun? How is GZ rolling when according to him TM was on top of him straddling him sitting up by his arm pits? If TM is straddling GZ at his arm pits how is he going to feel a gain tucked inside GZ's pants on his backside?
1. Rolling side-to-side (not barrel-rolling) to get TM off top of him. 2. With his legs-- maybe the gun holster even slipped out and became partially- or fully-exposed due to movement. This was a struggle. Remember the FORENSIC EVIDENCE is still solid with regards to TM being on top of GZ and taking a close-range gunshot with his clothes hanging down from his body by a few inches. How did they get in that position if they didn't start there?
You're right. Now I'm quite sure that Zimmerman just lay there passively waiting for the inevitable... wouldn't you?
1. I understand turning from side to side trying to get away. But from the position GZ says he was in and where the gun was and where TM was, it isn't really possible that TM had eyes in the back of his head to see the gun trapped underneath GZ on a dark rainy night. 2. Yes the sweatshirt was 2-4 inches from the body. If I'm wearing a baggy sweatshirt, I don't have to be leaning down over somebody to have it be 2 - 4 inches from my body. And while I'm thin, I'm not as skinny as TM was.
I would be pretty upset if my child was gunned down for being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood. That said, what does this have to do with the Zimmerman trial? Nobody was gunned down or the wrong color or in the wrong neighborhood.
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes: “What Conservatives Are Doing To Black People Is Precisely What Zimmerman Did To Trayvon Martin”… Defending ourselves? Via Newsbusters: CHRIS HAYES: Good evening from New York. I’m Chris Hayes. Tonight on All In, The fear factor as the defense rests in the trial of George Zimmerman, closing arguments set to begin tomorrow. Already, Bill O’Reilly and others on the right are raising the specter of racial violence. That is coming up.(…) HAYES: Coming up, a good Fox News audience is a fearful Fox News audience, which must be why Bill O’Reilly and others keep raising the awful specter of racial violence as the trial of George Zimmerman nears an end. We’ll look at that next.(…) HAYES: Outside the courtroom, another narrative has been developing, a right-wing trope about the specter of racial violence. Here’s part of Bill O’Reilly’s talking points memo from last night. BILL O’REILLY, FNC: Even among African-Americans themselves, blacks come out as the top racist group. Thirty-one percent of black Americans say their own race heads the list. O’REILLY CLIP #2: The only thing the American press will embrace is the specter of oppression. That is, if a white American kills a black American, or any other minority, then the story gets covered. O’REILLY CLIP #3: There’s no question the Zimmerman trial is now a racial deal rather than a justice deal. And if George Zimmerman is acquitted by a jury of five white women and a Hispanic lady, there will be racial animus. HAYES: That’s a pernicious planting of the expectation of racial violence, just as the right-wing Web site, Breitbart.com, blared a headline, “Broward County sheriff’s Office Prepares Zimmerman Verdict Riot Plan,” based upon what would commonly be considered responsible preparations for a high-profile, televised trial. Joining me now is Jelani Cobb, associate professor of history, director of the Institute for African-American Studies at the University of Connecticut. … So here’s what frustrates, angers me genuinely about this, is, what conservatives are doing to black people at large is precisely what George Zimmerman did to Trayvon Martin. http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/12/...ecisely-what-zimmerman-did-to-trayvon-martin/
1. The gun was on the back side of his right hip-- readily exposed when you roll over to your left shoulder. It would not require "eyes in the back of your head to notice that gun... and it is likely that he could feel it with his legs... and it is even possible that the gun became fully visible or even dislodged from GZ's waistband in the tussling. All those are more likely than GZ totally obscuring the gun in such a struggle in my opinion. 2. You'd have to have a body air conditioner going to fluff your shirt 2-4 inches away from your body while vertical-- my clothes contact my skin. There are a few small pockets of air but the only way I get a 2-4 inch gap is by leaning forward.
With so many biased people, makes me wonder what's the point of having a trial. Such a waste of money.
they weren't going to have one until the media bias, Al Sharpton and even President Obama chimed in...
I just read somewhere that TM doubled-back and returned three blocks before encountering Zimmerman. Is this true?
its hilarious how every republican is jumping at the chance to let this murderer get away yet the ohter side weighs in on the guilt never before have I seen a group of people so biased on an issue and pre-determining guilt or innocence based on how it aligns with their ****ed up political ideology and goals. Why do you guys hate black people?
That's true. That's why you can't let people lie about using self-defense to get away with killing someone.
The fact is - and this is fact, that GZ disobeying police orders, while playing vigilante, resulted in TM's death. That level of irresponsibility - disobeying law enforcement, is negligent. There is a reason the police did not want him to pursue. Because they know this can be the result. He didn't let the police do their job, which would have allowed everyone to walk away alive. That is grounds for a manslaughter conviction.
You really think there should have never been a trial? A person who commit no crime is dead. Remember TM, if assumed innocent by GZ, would not have been pursued by GZ and this could have been avoided. The same assumption of innocence you are asking the state to give GZ, by not having a trial, is completely opposite of what he granted to TM. He wasn't killed by law enforcement or someone of authority, but by another civilian. If self defense was so obvious then the defense should be having a cake walk. They are winning this trial, but not because they proved self defense, but because the state couldn't prove ill will.
again, you could make the same argument that if TM didn't go get his skittles and Watermelon tea (to make his lean?), then he wouldn't have gotten shot. Both that and what GZ did in approaching TM were legal...
Correct, but we can't just have people die and not investigate it. Like I said if it was so obvious that GZ was attacked then there would be no case, but the defense can not prove that.
And you can quit trying to slander Martin, I am making no assumptions about GZ, but you can't seem to leave that bias out of your head. I have no problem with you supporting GZ, but getting skittles for drugs and getting skittles to eat puts a person in the same place at the same time. Leave out the slander.
