Yah only way lin is involved is if he does well this year, and goes to another team in a 3 way deal. All these factors is why I think a trade doesn't happen until the season starts. Portland has a chance to analyze CJ, and other players. Also we get to see what type of value Asik, Jones, D-Mo, and Lin can build. So it makes sense for both sides to want to drag it out a bit.
Well nothing is forever. Who knows what they'll want to do by 2015. But, in the meantime, they can easily play both at the same time, putting one at power forward to play small, or at SG to play big. It's a much better redundency than say the Asik/Howard problem we have.
No, the Rockets would go well over the cap to resign Chandler Parsons. That is part of why his small contract is even better than people think. We will have his Bird rights.
Man I really like this Portland team though and am high on them with a better bench and a weaker west I think they can make some noise this year.
It's best to use the Harden trade as a model for any future trades for a star. That's not to say its perfect, but since stars in their prime are so rarely traded, its really the only template to go by. Portland will want: a) An established player - Asik (Martin) b) Young Talent - 2 of Beverley, DMo, TJones, Canaan c) Cap relief - Asik + 2 of the 4 above is less than Aldridge alone, but still fits within CBA rules d) QUALITY pickS - This is where we need a little Morey magic. Yes, we own all of our 1st rounders and a plethora of 2nds, but all of those combined isn't worth the Toronto pick we acquired for Lowry. IMO, this is the ONLY piece missing to get a trade done. Asik + Beverley/Canaan + TJones/DMo + $4 million in cap relief in 2013-2014 + Houston's 2014 and 2016 1st + 2 2nds (TRob trade) + 1st round pick from a likely lottery team should be enough to at least get Portland to consider trading LMA.
I think LaMarcus Aldridge really is the perfect fit to this team. He has a very developed back to the basket game, is a terrific mid-range shooter and his defensive lapses could be helped by Dwight. He's great from the mid-range and is a reasonable passer I believe. One great thing is that despite all our manuvering and trades we still have most our first round picks and plenty of second round picks. A guy like Asik with his ability to defend and run the floor is perfect for teams like that and is paid less than a Joakim Noah etc. I think an Asik, (young talent if one of our youngs shows potential) plus us leveraging our second rounders and first rounders to would be enough to get him as they probably want to not piss him off either as Portland has always had good relationships and Aldridge went to UT and is from Texas.
Should be enough? Whoah, that is overpaying out of the arse. No way we'd give up 2 young assets, Asik, two 2nd rounders AND THREE first round picks, one from a lottery team. That's costing us WAY more than what Harden cost. Harden cost us 1 young asset (Lamb), one established contributor (Martin), Charlotte's 2nd rounder (we're giving 2, it is at least equal), Dallas' first round pick that was like top 20 protected (one of ours is equivalent), then the TOR pick. Now we're providing another one of our picks? AND another young asset?
Even including a Lin or Beverly is ok. That would give us a : Lin/Beverly Hole Harden Parsons Aldridge Howard Howard crashing the boards, Harden and Parsons nailing open threes with Aldridge making mid range jumpers or back to the basket shots. Harden pick n roll's with Howard all day. We would be unstoppable offensively and Howard really has the ability to change a game defensively. We saw what he did to us in the last game of the year against the Lakers. He basically cut off all drives to the basket for our entire team.
Problem with that scenario is it only works in a one rational player game essentially. But in the nba, there are other players. They can offer deals as well that POR can choose and then that team can sign LMA to an extension. Bam, no 2015 FA for LMA.
if they take a BIG step forward....why the hell would you trade them? I mean...sometimes it's better to keep what you have instead of constantly looking to move pieces just because. They're on rookie scale contracts and have upside to improve even further AND you still have Asik? Don't get me wrong...getting LMA would be boos as hell, but if TJones or DMo step up and play really well....just doesn't make sense to trade them if that happens. That said....Asik and DMo for LMA....sounds so good. hahahahaha. #conflicted
Portland wouldn't even get half that..... That would be so stupid to gut your team and your depth to add a player and then have NO bench at all. Asik and ONE of the young players and a couple picks for LMA should be plenty enough and if they want more...they can just keep him. We keep ours......see you in the playoffs.
You have to remember that OKC sold Harden at a depressed price, and we were the fallback option (after Washington). LMA will come at no such discount. Option A is trading for him in 2013-2014. It WILL cost us an arm and a leg. Option B is trading for him in 2014-2015. This may take a little less. Maybe you keep one of your own draft picks (2016), as well as both Canaan and Beverley. Option C is to sign LMA in 2015 FA. It will cost us waiving our bird rights for Asik and Lin, trading BOTH TJones and DMo, using very little of our MLE next year, and forgoing our ENTIRE MLE in 2015. Any way you slice it, it's going to cost us something significant to get something significant, and we still need some Morey magic to make that lottery pick happen. So IMO, for a 2013-2014 trade, you need: Martin -------> Asik Lamb --------> DMo and Beverley Dallas 1st-----> Rockets 2014 and 2016, 2 2nds Toronto 1st---> Need to find this This would leave you with a roster of: Lin / Canaan Harden / Williams Parsons / Garcia / Casspi Aldridge / TJones / Smith Howard / Aldridge / Smith An advantage of doing it this way is you would have your 2014-2015 MLE, which I think the Rockets would use to: a) Sign Papanikolaou to a 3 year deal and/or b) Bring Llull over from Spain and/or c) Give Garcia a raise
Really? Cause Canaan/Beverley, Garcia, DMo/TJones + what you can add with your 2014-2015 MLE seems like a pretty good bench to me, especially if LMA gets most of the backup center minutes. Morey has done a tremendous job building this team. Our contracts and player allocation is insanely efficient, so much so that losing that many players still doesn't really impact us.
I recognize that. Any long term projection is subject to the same risks and variables. The point is that we ALMOST have everything we need to complete such a deal. Whether or not it comes to fruition is for the market to decide. I question who can really outbid us for the deal I presented (once again, contingent on getting that lottery 1st round pick). Who else has a top quality center they would be willing to trade? Who else has a Canaan/Beverley and TJones/DMo they would be willing to part with without a blink? Who else can offer all of this while reducing your current cap hit and increasing future cap flexibility? Who else can offer the assortment and variety of picks we own? We are in great shape to make Portland an offer that will be hard to match. That's not to say it won't be, but how many Morey's are running around the league these days?
Morey is a BEAST for sure.....no one knows whats he's thinking but him but I seriously would suspect he places more value on having 2 top 5 centers playing behind each other and just rolling the dice on the 2 young PF's hoping one pans out. Could be wrong and of course LMA is a upgrade but I don't think he would sell the farm to become top heavy. What he has in Asik is the greatest luxary any team can have. Asik is a beast on the boards and a great defensive player....... So many teams dont have this at center so if they want that, they HAVE to pay to get it. We are good and are not pressed to make any moves....we can yes...but we don't have to....and that's when Morey really excels in deals. Just don't think there's a need to unload all that for LMA even though having him would be great. At most...Trade Asik, Beverly (assuming Lin stays), Jones (or DMo) a 1st in 2015 and a 2nd in 2014......BOOM.
or such a midseason trade could work out like another former portland PF trade. rasheed wallace via a quick stop in atlanta to detroit in 2004. detroit then won the title that year.
interesting read. make it happen morey. we can do sign and trade with few teams, using combination of asik, lin/beverley, and tjones/dmo
I would have to disagree with you on that. The hit to their cap would only be 8.375 million not 14 million. In actual dollars paid the 14 million in the last season may make him overpaid but the 5 million he will make this coming season makes him grossly underpaid as well. Asik is a very good deal salary wise.
