I agree, it's self-defense. "This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."[00:25] "Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."[1:03] "He’s got something on his shirt." "He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is." [01:20] "These assholes. They always get away."[1:39] "He’s running." [2:08] 911 dispatcher: "Are you following him?" [2:24] "We don’t need you to do that." [2:26] GZ proceeded to pursue Trayvon with a LEGAL and loaded gun. What state of mind do you think GZ has at the time? 1. TM is not a suspect. GZ has already convicted TM (they always get away) 2. TM is carrying something - like him? With his state of mind based on his 911 call, though no one can prove or disprove, GZ could have pursued Martin with a drawn gun. And even if NOT, Trayvon can't be faulted for standing his ground. Tragically, he's not good at self-defense.
The defense will have a tough time showing self defense at this point. How would Zimmerman reach a gun that was tucked inside his pants on his backside while his back is pinned to the ground? How would TM who's sitting up by GZ's arm pits somehow have seen the gun tucked inside GZ's pants on his back side to reach for it during the struggle on this dark rainy night? GZ had to have had the gun out prior to when he claims. His claims don't make sense. The fact the screams for help stopped after Zimmerman shot TM. If GZ was really in fear for his life he wouldn't have immediately stopped screaming after firing one shot. The panic of fearing for one's life doesn't stop after one shot. The screams for help were TM's. The fact that the back of Zimmerman's coat isn't damaged at all. The fact that the wounds on GZ's head aren't life threatening and are consistent with rolling on the ground in a fight, but not really having his head repeatedly bashed in. The fact that there isn't any puddle of GZ's blood or anything on the ground where his head was supposedly bashed in time and time again. The fact that GZ's conscience was unsure enough of what he'd done that he felt he had to lie about looking for an address or street name following the incident. I don't know if the prosecution proved GZ had a depraved mind and intended to kill TM. The Murder 2 charge might be too much. But the jury can decide on Manslaughter. I think with the self defense angle seemingly dead, manslaughter is a possible verdict.
hahahahaha you and your opinions could have written that before the trial you're just so biased and throw out opinion as if it were fact
As a father I see things different. I think GZ, as a volunteer neighborhood watch should have identified himself and informed TM that he was armed. It seems more like he was armed and looking for confrontation. At the moment that he claimed TM showed aggression he should have taken a step back and told him he was armed and had already called the police and they were on their way. He didn't do that...He was looking for a "PUNK" to kill. TM might have been a punk...and he might not have been perfect to society, but he was perfect to his parents and didn't deserve to die. GZ's duties as a neighborhood watch are to observe and report. Him getting out of his truck to get the address is just an excuse. The police were already on their way and if TM was planning on burglarizing a home or committing some other crime...GZ could have gone home knowing he at least stopped that from happening on that particular night. Instead, since he had a pocket full of lead courage...GZ decided to get out of his truck, with no regards to his own safety...WHY? Because he has a GUN. He wasn't looking to play the role of a neighborhood WATCH, nope! He was looking for some drama...He probably wasn't expecting the ass whoopin, but the moment he stepped out of his truck he turned from neighborhood watch to a vigilante. Treyvon did not deserve to die. He ran from GZ and GZ still pursued him. GZ had several opportunities to tell TM that he was neighborhood watch and that he had called the police. If you're neighborhood watch you have to have a sign on your car...you have to identify yourself, you can't just go around stalking people unidentified and not expect to get some sort of reaction from them. I bet you another thing...If GZ was following one of you guys in the middle of the night...Most of you defending this guy would probably think he was some Mexican drug cartel member looking to behead you.....DONT LIE.
This. Too much reasonable doubt to properly convict Zimmerman of Murder 2 charges, but Manslaughter is a possibility.
I see you addressed nothing. I was using the evidence presented in the trial. I think a lot will depend on the instructions to the jury. During the trial I wasn't sure at all the prosecution was making it's case. But in the end GZ's own false/faulty statements together with the physical evidence make self defense incredibly tough to swallow. You seem to have trouble answering questions lately, but there are some in my post that would do a lot to show how GZ would have a legitimate claim to self defense if you could answer them.
No GZ supporter can with a straight face type that in a similar situation they would assume the stranger following them was simply a concerned neighborhood watchman and that they had nothing whatsoever to fear. Odds are in that situation the person trailing you is a mugger, rapist, thief or murderer. I wonder how many can honestly say they've ever been followed like Trayvon was that night by a complete stranger for absolutely no reason.
Cool fan fiction, but what does this have anything to do with the fact that there are people out there that are threatening violence and riots if GZ walks free, regardless of what the evidence says?
As an Aussie, I knew that there was still rampant racism in the USA, but I really didn't think it was this bad. Seriously. Some of the tweets, comments on Facebook & here have me shaking my head right now. That's all.
Here is the difference between me and those defending zimmerman. I can admit i was wrong if he is found not guilty. But they wont if he is found guilty.
Aussie's have their own problems with racism. A long history with aboriginal people to begin with. But it still doesn't make it right, either way. I pray racism would no longer exist. Unfortunately with human beings involved I'm not sure how it will happen. Maybe one day.
Haha, you have no idea. Racial tensions have never been so high. It's only getting worse. Especially in and around the Houston area. You can't tell me TM couldn't have taken off running and have EASILY outran fat boy. No, he wanted to confront GZ. What if TM would have killed GZ? I can't wait for the excuses to start flying about issues with the jurors, instead of acknowledging that the case didn't have a case to try.
The defense's closing so far is not very impressive by comparison. Staying purely theoretical, keeping distance from the facts of the case, doing weird irrelevant stuff like asking "What would you think of me if I came in here wearing..." & puts on sunglasses & a pinky ring?! lol!) Then he says I'm about to do something against all strategy, that all defense attorneys will hate me for. I would be pissed if I was on trial. WOW. Zimmerman probably should have hired casey anthony's team.
Oh, really? So you've managed to prove just out stupid you are. Congratulations. Clearly, I have no awareness. That's how how I got those little green bars. Everyone pities me. Actually, I've read very little of this thread, because I quickly figured out that many here were not concerned with the actual crime committed by Zimmerman, but rather other aspects of the case, aspects I find more than a little distasteful. How nice that you haven't changed my mind.
It makes little difference with the railroading job that Florida Circuit Judge Debra Nelson is doing on Zimmerman. With her highly questionable actions thus far, I looked at her credentials. OMG, she graduated from the South Texas College of Law in 1979 -- then one of the worst law schools in the country. True, she was appointed by Jeb Bush in 1999 and won re-election in 2012 in an unopposed race (which is normal for a sitting judge in almost any state). However, I'll bet my hat she is not considering her duties so much as she is the politics.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755884/vp/52425367#52425367 According to Zimmerman, the prosecuting attorney and the defense attorney, the gun was on the backside of GZ's hip not in the small of his back. If someone is on top of me, I am certainly rolling from side-to-side to try and dislodge them. I think that is a natural response. They make such a big deal out of "seeing" the gun. If TM is sitting on top of GZ, he can certainly feel the gun and it's nothing to skooch down a couple of inches and make a grab for the gun. This was an active exchange not a passive one. TM is no stranger to guns either. Puddle? This whole altercation was over in 30-40 seconds. Love how 4 of these 5 guests on Sharpton's show are Prosecutors.
What about the casey anthony judge, he seemed more fair in comparison. Less political maybe. And IDK if he was appointed or elected, & i can't decide which is better for impartiality. Guess it could boil down to politics either way. Either way they've argued enough with this lady, I'm sure they're loaded for appeal if they find him guilty. I have a question- will the jury also decide the sentence after (if) they find him guilty of whatever? Or judge?
So those Green Bars mean something in regard to your knowledge of this particular case. Get over yourself and those green bars. Saying things like that make you look stupid.
So you prefer the guy yelling and offering nothing but speculation. O'Mara is laying out his case methodically and he's showing what the state has to prove to rule out reasonable doubt. The Prosecution hasn't laid out a clear picture of what happened that night, just a bunch of what if's and it's possible. You can't rule out reasonable doubt with that.
