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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Rockets1616, Aug 17, 2011.

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    All my teams have been bad for years. If the rockets are primed for a return to the glory days. Maybe the long hours are to : )
     
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    Garrett Gray is a player to keep an eye on....Stood out last season, will be interesting to see what he can do with a new qb.
     
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    Things are going so well in town, Texans and Rockets are contenders and the Astros future is looking good. Not even the current UT athletic department can get me down.

    I'm cautiously optimistic about the football team. Ash showed a lot of positive signs, some not not so positive though. Maybe this can be a breakout year for him. Hopefully last year was just a fluke for Manny Diaz, but I'm not too confident about it.

    Team should start well, could be 5-0 heading into the red river beatdown. Conference as a whole really sucks so winning it is realistic.
     
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    They're pretty darn good in NCAA 14. :p
     
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    There's a lot of hype entering the season year after year. I'm not getting my hopes up until they show some results on the field.
     
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    Ash would still be playing? I am expecting a QB change from Ash/McCoy going into this season. Maybe seeing Connor Brewer or even the freshman Tyrone Swoopes -- anything but the same old **** from the past 2 years would be great.
     
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    No way in hell Swoopes plays this year, he is way too raw.

    Colt and VY both redshirted, Ash isn't garbage we were spoiled by a decade plus run of excellent QB play. He showed improvement last year, if he improves again this year he could be pretty good.

    Depending on how Ash plays, Swoopes may have the job next year though
     
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    Ash is the definition of average. You might be right about being spoiled, but Ash isn't going to take this team anywhere. I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. I understand Swoopes won't see the field, but I rather see him than the same stuff I've seen the last two years. It's a good thing the Horns are deep at RB, otherwise it would be so very difficult to watch this team on offense. I just hope Brewer gets a shot too.
     
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    We forget how important exp is with college QB's, because Colt,VY, Major and Simms we're all good almost immediately we forget that.

    Ash unlike Colt and VY didn't redshirt so it's his 3rd year with the program. Vince didn't take over until half way through his 2nd year, and really wasn't that good as a frosh. He didn't get good until his 3rd year.

    I think Ash can be pretty good, but you may be right. If Ash hasn't shown inprovement by the Oklahoma game i wouldn't mind see Brewer start the next game. Either way I don't see Swoopes until sometime next year
     
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    Amazingly, Ash is considered the best returning QB in the Big12. It's a sad state of affairs for the league.
     
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    He was 20th in QB rating in the NCAA last year out of 116 QB's who qualified- that's definitely not the definition of average.

    If you'd like the definition of average, I'd say you look somewhere around the high 50's/low 60's (technically, that's the definiion of median, but likely works out to be about the same....)

    I don't really understand how anybody can watch David Ash go from an "oh **** we have nobody else" true freshman midseason replacement starter (and one of the very worst statistical QBs in the NCAA) to the top echelon of QB ratings in the span of 1 year and say "man there's the problem, that David Ash! He only showed massive improvement in every possible category! got to replace that guy!"

    But you did, and I should never understimate the internet.
     
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    I'm not surprised that he is.

    QB Rating is not the only barometer for measuring a QB. My point is, to me when I watch him on the field, he doesn't have "it". Meaning I don't think he can take this team to a BCS bowl game. I'm not denying he hasn't improved, but I want to see someone out there I can get excited about. Ash isn't that player, or at least I haven't seen anything out of him for me to say, this guy can maybe lead this team to a BCS bowl in a couple of years. Of course the defense is the bigger issue with this team, but I am going to be frustrated if I have to watch the same **** I did last year in the Red River game.
     
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    I don't think most people would put him in the "top echelon" of QBs in the league. He was 20th in rating. But he also did relatively little - he was 57th in passing yards and 47th in TDs. Those are both basically the definition of average. He also wasn't a dual threat (141 rushing yards) unlike, say, a Collin Klein who was ranked below him if just looking at QB rating alone.

    For example, take these 3 Big12 QBs:

    David Ash: 153.3 QB rating (#20), 2700 yards passing, 21 TDs
    Collin Klein: 149.2 QB Rating (#26), 2600 yards passing, 900 rushing, 39 TDs
    Landry Jones: 144.6 QB Rating (#31), 4200 yards passing, 30 TDs

    I don't think anyone would claim Ash was anything but 3rd out of those 3.
     
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    QB Connor Brewer transferring
     
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    So his "it" levels are just average.

    Coherently argued!

    I'd suspect you're about the last person in the world who needs efficiency explained to him, so we can ignore your first para.

    WOuld you argue that he's closer to Landry Jones and Collin Klein in terms of overall passing perfomance last year?

    or closer to "average" (or in this case, median...)

    David Ash: 153.3 QB rating (#20), 2700 yards passing, 21 TDs
    Collin Klein: 149.2 QB Rating (#26), 2600 yards passing, 900 rushing, 39 TDs
    Landry Jones: 144.6 QB Rating (#31), 4200 yards passing, 30 TDs
    Tyler van Tubbergen: 130.2 QB Rating (#68) 1500 yards passing, 15 TD's, 11 ints
    Michael Rocco: 130.1 QB Rating (#69) 1900 yards passing 13 TD's 10 ints
     
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