Egyptians resist Morsi; US-supported military to step in on Morsi's side

aww, you're such a cutie ATW.

you even did up the tags for me. If I didn't think better, I'd think someone has a crush

 

Northside Storm has a point in defending the outcome of an election by a free people. Your argument has validity because the Army stepped in to protect the constitution Morsi threw out -- a constitution authorized by the people of Egypt.

I was listening to a television analyst who said he had received an email from an Egyptian who put the crisis in perspective by shifting the scene to the United States. Let me review:

President Obama won election by 51-49% as did Morsi. Let's say the economy is in the toilet, same as Egypt under Morsi. Let's say Obama suspends the Constitution as did Morsi. Let's say our armed services throws out Obama for suspending the constitution as the Egyptian army did to Morsi.

Would you defend the Pentagon or would you defend Obama?

 

Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Call Head Of Egyptian Military “An Enemy Of Allah”…



Which can then be used to justify all types of violence.

Via Ynet:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4402557,00.html

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist allies called for more protests on Tuesday, after at least 51 people were killed in Cairo on Monday when the army opened fire on supporters of ousted Islamist President Mohamed Morsi.

Meanwhile, Egypt’s interim leader Adly Mansour has outlined his timetable for new elections. His decree says a panel to amend the constitution must be formed within 15 days and general elections could then be held by February.

Morsi supporters blame the military for opening fire on them outside the Republican Guard compound where the former president is believed to be held. He was ousted by the military on Wednesday. The army said it opened fire in response to an attack on its soldiers.

“In protest against the military coup that was followed by suppressive actions, topped by the Republican Guard massacre that took place at dawn, we call on all citizens and honorable people to protest on Tuesday across Egypt,” Hatem Azam, a spokesman for a coalition led by the Muslim Brotherhood, told a news conference.

Demonstrators directed most of their anger at Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. “There is no god but Allah, and al-Sisi is an enemy of Allah,” chanted demonstrators in the square.

 

Mathloon thread title epic fail.

 

thumbs, I believe you have the sequence of events wrong---in that the Egyptian military suspended the Constitution, which makes your question a bit one-sided.

To be fair, I would hasten to point out that I was uncomfortable with the Egyptian constitution being built, but if you look at it from a pure "fair and free election->determination of constitution and laws" point of view, it's clear which side wins out.

(I believe you are referring to Morsi's constitutional decree that put himself above judicial review, and granted himself sweeping powers---if so, that is as condemnable as suspending the constitution as it is a perversion of the constitution. However, that doesn't deserve a military coup.)

 

Even so, you still did not answer the question I posed.

 

To be fair, I would hasten to point out that I was uncomfortable with the Egyptian constitution being built, but if you look at it from a pure "fair and free election->determination of constitution and laws" point of view, it's clear which side wins out.

 

I think Egypt just screwed itself. Morsi made mistakes and the Constitution may be slanted a bit heavy toward the Muslim Brotherhood's values, but they had something that was actually nascently democratic. They could have built on that, reformed over time, and so on. Now, I just see civil war in their future, and ultimately an Islamic theocracy. The fundies aren't too keen on democracy anyway, but they played along. Now, you overturn what gains they were able to gain in a democratic process because they have many supporters and strong organization, and you undercut any trust they may have in democracy. Now they see the only way they can rule Egypt as a Muslim country is by autocratic power. Anti-democratic sentiments will rule within the Muslim Brotherhood and they will fight for power. And they are big and strong and highly committed. Egypt will not be able to have a functioning democracy with the Brotherhood in opposition. So, you need another military dictator like Mubarak to keep the Brotherhood out, or the Brotherhood will eventually win on the field. I think Egypt is ****ed.

And, it'll be a lesson to neighboring countries' Islamist politicians too that the democratic process might not be respected by the military. So, they're less likely to support such a process in their countries. I think this is a big blow to the Arab Spring the world over.

 

Or the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic Theocratic parties will see that when they win elections trying to grab more power than the constitution allows, they will lose the gains they actually had made.

 

I don't think any democracy can survive without separation og church and state

 

Pro-Morsi Protesters Raise Black Al-Qaeda Flag Over Governor’s Palace In Sinai After Storming Compound…



Via Telegraph:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...0168917/The-jihadis-are-waiting-in-Egypt.html

It could have been Syria, but it was Egypt, last week. Black jihadist flags, inset with the white oblong cartouche favoured by Syrian affiliates of al-Qaeda, were being waved above a cheering crowd. An angry speaker addressed the masses.

“We need to form a council of war,” he shouted, sounding hoarse from excitement. “The era of peace has ended. If the army attack us we will attack back. We say to the Egyptian army that the day might yet come when we tell it to leave Sinai.”

It was not an idle threat. Last Friday, as firework-hurling youths loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood vented their rage at the army’s removal of their president, Mohammed Morsi, another crowd marched on the governor’s palace in el-Arish. The northern Sinai town was once heralded as the next big thing in Egyptian tourism, a Mediterranean version of Red Sea resorts like Sharm el-Sheikh. No longer: it is now better known as a destination for weapons than for red-faced Britons and Germans stealing the sun-loungers.

The crowd, demanding Mr Morsi’s return, drove off the guards, stormed the palace and raised another black flag on the roof. In all, five policemen and a soldier were killed across Sinai at the weekend. On Saturday afternoon, Mina Aboud Sharween, a priest serving el-Arish’s Coptic Christian community, was shot dead by two gunmen on a motorbike. All this went almost unnoticed in the international media.

 

Saudi Arabia and the UAE are stepping up with $8 billion in aid in what is, I would imagine, an attempt to stablize Egypt. $2 billion from the Saudi's is in oil and gas, and $2 billion was deposited in Egypt's central bank. Egypt needs all the help it can get.

 

???????????

You really have no clue.

 

Maybe, but I don't think that's terribly likely. I think they'll just forego elections.

 

Elections have consequences. hahaha

 

I been eyeing this bit by bit

1. Dude was elected
2. People felt he lied to get elected and then changed his position and started enacting things that were unpopular
3. People rallied
4. Military Coup.

Is this the general gist of this situation

because. . . Politicians lying to get elected is all too American
IF you support this. . . does that mean you would support a similar coup here?

While I may not like the guys policies . ..
I don't see why this is an acceptable way to deal with unpopularity in an democratically elected system.

Was he murdering people? Was he committing Genocide? There has to be more to this right?

Rocket River

 

Again how about you stip comparing yourself to the Egyptians isthat so freaking hard

 

No.

He started usurping powers - things like deciding the judicial branch had no authority, etc.

 

Egyptian Army Kills 32 Hamas Fighters During Clashes With Sinai-Based Jihadist Groups…



Looks like those reports of Hamas fighters streaming into Egypt were accurate.

Via Times of Israel:http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-...eports/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Egyptian army has killed some 200 gunmen in Sinai, including 32 Hamas members, and arrested 45 others over the past several days, an Egyptian security source told London-based Arab daily Al-Hayat on Thursday.

The unnamed official accused Hamas of intentionally escalating the security situation in Sinai following the ouster of president Mohammed Morsi. The official claimed that Egyptian military forces have observed Hamas activists operating in Sinai in cooperation with local jihadists.

“The army is barely in control of the situation,” the official told the daily. “They enter Sinai through the tunnels to carry out attacks together with others and return to Gaza through the tunnels. Moreover, they exploit the terrain and hide in the mountains.”

Hamas, for its part, tried to distance itself from the developments in Egypt, claiming it has adopted a policy of non-intervention following the overthrow of Morsi.

“The intervention of Gazans in the Egyptian issue is nothing more than popular solidarity with the deposed president Mohammed Morsi, in whose time the situation improved on all levels,” read an article in Hamas news site Al-Resalah.

 

You're plagiarizing content from "weasal zippers" without provided a link.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/11/...ing-clashes-with-sinai-based-jihadist-groups/