Salary adjusted for win-shares. Not perfect, but a good look at which players are underpaid and overpaid. http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1hvjh7/what_if_salary_was_based_on_actual_performances_a/ NOT MY WORK.
Forget Lin and asik.. Royce didnt even make an effort to show up to work and still got his millions. Besides that punk still threw parties.
You guys also need to look at Beverley's WS/per 48. Trumps EVERYONE on the team other than obviously James Harden. If I'm Morey I'm looking at Bev as the future.
Any metric that has Asik as overpaid obviously does not pass the smell test. Win share, like most available statistics, "advanced" or other, undervalues defense. Try RAPM instead.
I've not seen a good source for 2012-2013 RAPM data available. Win share does a decent job for available data with 90% of players. Basically, the top defenders get undervalued as you point out.
Let me repeat. These metrics are utter garbage. James Harden will begin his max contract starting next year at $13.7M and increasing annually to $17.7M in '17. According to winshares, he is valued at $12.3M and will be overpaid right off the bat. Meanwhile, we know that max contracts given to deserved max players are some of the best values in the NBA. Daryl Morey would laugh at win shares.
Bev's also 3rd among the 2009 draft class in WS/48. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Harden and Griffin have the best wins shares/48 of all players from the 2009 draft.Third place: Patrick Beverley. <a href="http://t.co/yTmNyFEjaT">http://t.co/yTmNyFEjaT</a></p>— Ed Kupfer (@EdKupfer) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdKupfer/statuses/318180185356771329">March 31, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>NBA team PER by position: <a href="http://t.co/OHav2Q0cc5">http://t.co/OHav2Q0cc5</a></p>— Ed Kupfer (@EdKupfer) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdKupfer/statuses/317681323340881921">March 29, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Patrick Beverley: 2nd best 6'1 shotblocker of all time. <a href="http://t.co/9LXzDUB2cm">http://t.co/9LXzDUB2cm</a></p>— Ed Kupfer (@EdKupfer) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdKupfer/statuses/315996005004873728">March 25, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/edward-kupfer/1a/2b7/1b3
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ These are out of date. The site owner updated last season's number regularly until around the allstar break, when he was hired by an NBA team. Since then, the numbers for last season were taken down. Jeremiah, the owner, did tell me that he plans on posting last year's numbers again sometime in the future, but obviously cannot be in conflict of his current position so they will likely never be up to date. Off the top of my head, as I remember it before he took them down, last year's Rocket numbers were roughly: Harden 4.5 Asik 4 Lin 2.5 Defino 2.5 Parsons -1 Smith -1 Morris -2 Patterson -3 Douglas -3 Mind you, these were only the first half numbers. The only thing that stands out to me is Parsons being negative, but I do recall him struggling at times earlier on. I remember Delfino being much better and closing out a couple games. Parsons really came on in the second half of the season as Delfino got injured. I wouldn't be surprised if he was up to the 2.5 range by the end of the year. Theses numbers also match what came out of Morey's mouth regarding how much specific players contributed to winning. I don't have any doubts that the Rockets hold adjusted +/- in very high regard for player evaluation.
The fact that Greg Smith is valued as the second best player on the team on a per minute basis, yet the team got absolutely demolished every time he stepped on the court in the playoffs, should tell you everything you need to know about the value of win share.
Isn't this data a bit skewed? It's easier to out perform your contract than to live up to it when you have a noticeably lower salary in comparison to the other players around you. With the possible exception of All-Stars, future HoF'ers, etc it's hard to show role players in the green when placed next to their contract.
You guys also need to look at Greg Smith's WS/per 48. Trumps EVERYONE on the team other than obviously James Harden. If I'm Morey I'm looking at Greg as the future.
The threadstarter obviously has an agenda, can even read his own data and interprets just as he like it. The truth lies really in the eye of the beholder :grin:
