You are a joke. I love how you and the article group all white people together. Just because they are white doesn't mean they didn't grow up experiencing moments of deprivation.
a lot of truth in this post. In general I've noticed that blacks do tend to view themselves as "a collective group" and have loyalty and defend/rationalize other blacks' actions. Now, I do see some evidence of that changing. As many of you know I've become a more of a regular over at the black hair media forums, and I've noticed some dissenting opinions. E.g., in a thread where a woman was looking for a house in a new city, she wanted an area with some diversity, so she asked where the "blacks lived, not where the niqqas lived" (her words...no racist). She's distancing herself from the latter. There's also been talk of distancing themselves from their focused efforts against railing on "white on black" discrimination (as they simply don't see it that much), but rather focusing on the bad apples within their own community who either bring them down or execute crimes against their own. in the words of Tupac.. "And they say it's the white man I should fear/but it's my own kind doing all the killing here." -Holla if you hear me, Tupac
Um...that is nothing new. Blacks are harder on Blacks. You focus on what the media protrays. The media likes the "loud, stereotypical, Ebonics" black person. The majority are not like that. The majority does not get into trouble with the law. The majority does not smoke weed and get drunk all day. The majority want to have a job, have nice schools for their kids, and live in a diverse community.
Blaming the white man for anything related to this case is nothing but a crutch. It's a crutch that continues to cripple people able to walk on their own 2 feet by convincing them the crutch is their only way to get anywhere. Anyone who watched that testimony should be disappointed in Rachel Jeantel. She lied before the trial, during the trial, she displayed a racist attitude, she was disrespectful, she admitted she did not take parts of the process seriously and she is decidedly partial toward the martins which is concerning since she has admitted she will lie when it suits her. In the late 90s I was a witness in a murder case. I took my responsibility seriously and realized I had to tell the truth no matter if it put my friend in jail which it did. Jeantel is old enough to know from day 1 to know not to lie about anything in such a serious matter.
You know, I would have no problem with this post except the fact that it groups ALL black people together and tries to define an area of the entire race. This is the type of thinking that I generally hate, that one race whether it's blacks, whites, Asians, etc. is grouped together and the entire race is defined by the actions of a few. It does nothing but promote prejudice/racism. If the black community shows such solidarity and disdain for outsiders then how do they have many of the problems that exist within many of the communities around the country? Sure, many blacks will group together and show solidarity against others in certain situations but it is not like every other race lacks this same type of judgement. Whites do it, Asians do it, Latinos do it and so on and so on. It's not a way that is exclusive to black people. Think critically about it, especially you texxx since you have urged others to do so. The whole race thing seems like a ploy by the media to garner viewership from people and it worked like a charm. Blacks claiming racism, whites claiming witchhunts and so on and many of these people are making such claims without having a true understanding of the case, just going by bits and pieces of what they see and hear. I for one do not believe the events that took place between Zimmerman and Martin were based on race. I believe it was an overzealous man with a gun who was trying to play the hero and although he might not have done anything illegal he showed truly bad form for a person with a CHL. The events that took place after the following began we'll never know for sure and it is ignorant of people to make assumptions based on anything other than hard, undeniable proof but something which is rampant in this thread and about this case. I don't think he should be charged with murder but again that's not my decision to make but it looks like it was a poor decision to make (chargin him with such a crime) so far.
It's kinda gunny now that the Martin family entourage which did so much to incite racial hatred is now claiming that the trial is not about race.
It's also funny that happened just after it was revealed their son was found to use racist language to describe Zimmerman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PeDY1p46vEk http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/6/26/223210/512/crimenews/-Rachel-Jeantel-Court-Antics-and-How-Martin-Profiled-Zimmerman Rachel Jeantel was a train wreck as a witness. She did not help the state's case. She exposed the manipulations of Team Crump. She was impeached on a few significant matters (see below the fold.) And she admitted multiple lies. It was cringe-worthy but you couldn't take your eyes off it. Most strikingly, she made Trayvon Martin out to be the profiler of Zimmerman. She said (on direct exam no less by the prosecutor) that shortly after first spotting Zimmerman, Martin described Zimmerman to her as a "Creepy-A*s Cracker" and later, described Zimmerman a few times as "this ni*ga" (as in this ni*ga following him.) The two minute clip above is of Rachel and the prosecutor repeating creepy a*s cracker over and over as the court reporter struggles to make out what she's saying, Rachel explaining that creepy as* cracker means a white person, then and expressing concern the creepy guy might be a rapist. At her deposition, she couldn't identify Trayvon as the person crying out for help. Today, she tried to deny it, but when impeached with the transcript, admitted she told the defense, "It could be, like I said, I don't know. He has a baby voice some days, you know it's not." (Added: This friend of Trayvon Martin says he had a deep voice. " I remember those nights where I use to wait for him to call. I loved his deep voice." Her answer to why she didn't tell the police about her being the last one to speak with Trayvon was laugh-out loud funny: "They said they got the guy, I thought they were supposed to call me." [More...] She doesn't watch the news, she had no idea Trayvon really died until Tuesday, when a friend sent her a text of an article mentioning his name. Until then, she thought the rumors at school were just rumors. She didn't know as of March 18 when Tracy Martin first called her that GZ had not been arrested. She didn't know about any protests or media coverage because she doesn't watch the news (only occasionally the weather.) She admitted lying about the hospital and said she didn't go to the wake or funeral because she doesn't like bodies. Instead, she had her friends text her from it and they "texted her like crazy." But no one mentioned Zimmerman had not been arrested. She admitted lying to Sybrina Fulton, Benjamin Crump and the prosecutor (under oath) about her age, telling them she was 16 and a minor because she thought she'd have more privacy. She had little interest in helping the Martins. When Sybrina Fulton first asked her to speak to Crump, Fulton asked to speak to her mother. Her mother was out of the country, so Rachel called her on her cell phone and asked her to say no to the interview. But when she got Sybrina on a three-way call, her mother said yes. So she felt she had to do it. Her recitation of events during the shooting was almost identical to her version to the prosecutor. It seemed memorized, she even used the same word choices in multiple places. While she denied listening to her taped interviews with Crump or the prosecutor (at least not the whole thing), her story on direct was almost a total match. As to Crump's interview of her, she said she didn't take it seriously. She agreed with West that she was told to repeat things to get things the way they wanted them. She was in shock when she heard he released her statements publicly at a press conference. He had told her only the parents and Crump would be there. (No wonder Crump switched the interview at the last moment from in-person to phone: he didn't have to tell her the national media was there recording her.) She said another reason for trying to rush the Crump interview was because she had been closed off in a closet at her house during the call, and she'd had enough of the closet. She never dated Trayvon Martin and said he had another girlfriend. She and Trayvon didn't go to the same school. The "Romeo and Juliet" affair described by Crump never happened: She had been telephone friends with him for about 3 weeks before the shooting. (Although she first met him in second grade (not kindergarten like she told the prosecutor) they had only recently reconnected. She seemed to take offense at the suggestion that Sybrina Fulton might know her mother. No one suggested that, she misunderstood, but her response was an angry "She don't know that. She doesn't know my mother." She didn't want to talk much to Tracy Martin because she didn't know him around that time. She's belligerent, she thinks she's "the boss" and can run the show. I don't know how Don West kept a straight face when, after denying something a few times and then agreeing West was right and she was wrong, she started yelling at him, "You can go, you can go, you can go" as if giving him permission to continue asking questions. West was dumfounded by her behavior, which made her keep yelling "you can go, you can go now.) Tracy Martin put his head in his hands at that. (At one point later, Mr. Martin was laughing as if in disbelief of her antics.)West patiently explained to her that sometimes his brain requires a few moments to formulate a question. Then there were her loud and impatient "Yes"'s when Don West was reading the times of the phone calls between her and Martin as if she couldn't be more bored. She has quite a sense of self-entitlement. In a very funny segment, she castigates West for rescheduling her second deposition so that he could take Martin's brother's deposition instead. Both had been scheduled for a Friday. She pointed out that each took four hours and the Friday hours should have been her hours, not Trayvon's brother's hours. At the end, there was her petulant insistence that she wasn't coming back for more. When Don West suggested coming back tomorrow and he might have a few hours of questions left, she yelled out "What?" and said "No. "I'm leaving today." She'll be back tomorrow, she didn't say a word when the judge ordered her to return. The Judge ordered her not to discuss the case with lawyers tonight, including lawyers for the state. She's now impeached on several areas, especially GZ's response to TM after TM confronted GZ and asked him, "What are you following me for?" I'm so glad West brought this out, see my post here. Her first answer to Crump was that GZ responded with "What are you talking about" not "What are you doing around here." (Audio clip here.)Crump, immediately realizing that this was different than what she had told Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, stopped her and told her she had said something different to the Martins, and asked her to start over. She began again, and told it the Crump and Martin way. She is 19 and in the 12th grade. Last year, she tweeted she failed the f-Cats. Why does her FB page say she graduated from Norland High School and is studying criminal justice at Miami Univ. (in Ohio, no less)? She is not a recent immigrant. Her family originally emigrated from Haiti and the Dominican Republic, but she's known Trayvon since the second grade (she told the prosecutor in her April interview, she knew him since kindergarten.) As for what some may take as feisty response to West, "You listening to me?" that's absurd. She was continuing to deny having changed her version of GZ's response to Tryavon initially confronting Zimmerman and asking him "What are are you following me for?" She kept up the denial, claiming he wasn't listening to her, until confronted with the transcript and the tape was about to be played. (The state objected to the playing of the tape, possibly arguing it wasn't listed as evidence). After reading the transcript, she finally admitted she had changed her version at the urging of Crump, but said she had just been mixed up because she rushed through Crump's interview and didn't think carefully about what she was saying. She said she didn't treat Crump's interview seriously and didn't care about it. She had every excuse on the book for not coming forward after Feb. 26. She said she didn't think anything other than a fight had taken place and figured someone in the complex would come help him. At another point, she mentions that during one of her phone calls with Trayvon the night he was shot, she put her phone in her pocket and went in the bathroom to start fixing her hair for school the next day. She had the bathroom door closed and was using bluetooth. She's quite a fan of bluetooth and three-way phone calls. She claimed some of her calls with Martin the last day were three-way calls with another person, and that her mother to allow her interview during a three-way call with Sybrina and her mother during which she put down the phone for a few minutes, and when she picked it up again, her mother had already agreed. She also said some of her hundreds and hundreds of texts to Martin were not made by her, but someone pretending to be her while using her phone. In the next sentence, she said maybe there were two or three such texts.) She showed little sympathy for the Martins. It was all about what she finds uncomfortable, not them. She doesn't like to see people cry, so she didn't want to be around her at the wake or funeral. She said a few times she's not an emotional person. Yet at one point, she used a tissue to dab her eyes. What had she been discussing at that point? How she doesn't like dead bodies. She also contradicted herself in places. She said during her last phone call with Martin, a fight had broken out. Other times she said she heard nothing but wet grass moving and Martin's earpiece falling out after Trayvon confronted Zimmerman and he responded. She never "heard" a fight or even fighting words. She describes how Martin was "right by his father's house" after he lost Zimmerman, and refused to run home. I think he had plenty of time to go home, he obviously chose not to, and as the defense says, he either walked back up to the T or hid near the T. I watched it all live, and recorded almost all of it. I may try to make some short clips of her most petulant and ridiculous antics and post them, but I have trouble with "trimming" videos and usually end up trimming the part I'm trying to save.
I think it is funny how all of you guys are making fun of the witness yet, she isn't blindly following the prosecution's lead and for all intents and purposes seems as if she is being as honest as she can regardless of how bad it hurts the prosecution of Zimmerman. This should be applauded by all of us actually yet you guys choose to poke fun of this. Why?
Honestly, I haven't watched or paid attention to any of it other than descriptions from those on this board. It was a local case that never should have received the attention it did for what it did. I was going by others descriptions.
It is because she is cartoonish. You wouldn't have a witness like this in a movie, because the audience wouldn't believe the prosecution would put on a witness so terrible. It is also not at all clear that she is being honest on the stand. Her testimony differs from her earlier sworn statements.
Somehow it doesn't seem that crazy to me- to just wait for the cops call you. Wrong thing to do, not being a good citizen etc. but not lol funny... Or is that illegal?
Just from a 2 minute clip perspective, it was cringe worthy terrible. It's like watching a bad Miss America Q&A segment...a really bad segment. I have no dog in this race, and if that's the prosecution's star witness, their case is major jeopardy.
"She had been telephone friends with him for about 3 weeks before the shooting. " I wonder if Martin was getting catfished
