You do realize the prosecution is putting on their witnesses at this point in the trial. right? The prosecution is presenting their evidence and the defense is b**** slapping them. Putting up compromised and or easily discredited witnesses isn't a good thing for the prosecution. Good buried the prosecution, you need to wake up.
Yet we all know he got his ass beat by TM. We also know the back of his clothes were wet which indicated he was on the bottom getting his ass beat just like John Good said.
I've pointed out over and over that the defense hasn't concluded yet. All Good did was say that he saw Martin on top. There are other witnesses who put Martin on top. It'll be up to the rest of the evidence to be presented and the jury to weigh it all to see what happened. I know you made up your mind a long time ago about what happened. I'd rather just look at ALL of the evidence and let both sides have their go at the evidence and see how they put it together.
We just established that "starting the fight" isn't sufficient evidence, yet you still cling to this? Please start thinking critically. I'm embarrassed for you.
Who started the fight doesn't matter in self defense. If you start a fight and the guy you start it with begins to strangle you. Are you going to sit back and say well I'll just let him kill me because if I do anything and he dies I'm going to jail for murder? It is the purpose of self defense laws. What the prosecution has to prove is that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life when he shot him. Not who started the fight, not if Zimmerman actually killed him, but what were the circumstances behind it. I agree you wait until the evidence is all out, but the prosecution has not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was definitely not in fear of his life when he shot Martin. If they do, then he is guilty, but until they do; I'll believe in his innocence. And yes there are a lot of people that have already pronounced him innocent. That is how it is supposed to work. That is why the burden of proof is on the prosecutor to prove otherwise.
TM likely saw GZ as this short cracka (a term which shows contempt of that person by unjustly charactering them as a slave owner) and figured he could kick his ass. Everything TM said to his friend incorrectly characterized who GZ was and what he was doing that night. TM didn't do anything that a civil person would do that night if he suspected a crazy person was stalking him.
Actually I linked to the Florida law. Who started the fight does indeed matter in self defense. If the person who started the fight doesn't show they tried everything possible to remove themselves from danger prior to using deadly force they can't use self defense. I agree that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. The things I disagree with are people that say Zimmerman should have never been arrested at all, and that it's known that Martin started the fight. But to your point that the prosecution has to show that Zimmerman wasn't in fear for his life, the fact that even the witness who says Zimmerman was on the bottom, never saw Martin slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground as Zimmerman has claimed. The medical testimony backs up that there weren't severe injuries to the back of head. I will wait and see what the rest of trial presents. Right now Zimmerman is innocent. If the prosecution doesn't prove he's guilty then he should walk.
I don't give a damn if you think Martin was civil person or not. That isn't an excuse to murder him if he was indeed murdered. He could have been uncivil his whole life, that still doesn't give someone the right to shoot him. It also is not evidence in this trial. You can believe what you want as to what's likely. But there hasn't been evidence showing that as of yet.
I was originally on TM side, since he is dead and self defense would need to be proved. At this point I find myself more with GZ. Whatever result, I still believe this entire situation could have been avoided and a life could have been saved if GZ wasn't taking matters into his own hand.
That might be true, but as has been pointed out GZ going off on his own wasn't criminal. The prosecution certainly hasn't proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt so far. So I think at this point the Defense has to feel pretty good. It's still possible that the prosecution still could get a conviction on manslaughter I believe. Or maybe even the charge of murder. It all depends on how the jurors see the testimony and evidence.
It also depends on how the charging instrument was written. If it was just second degree murder, then it is that or an acquittal. If the charging instrument was second degree murder and all lesser included offenses, then manslaughter is on the table.
