Mark Deeks: Houston trying to dump Jeremy Lin, prioritize salary over basketball assets

Couldn't have said it better myself. Deeks' original tweet may have been legit, but many of his subsequent tweets with fans were filled with his opinions that they had to be discounted, if not ignored.

 

He is passing off information on a story. There is a huge range of people that are not journalist and are not rumor mongers that come into contact with information. Sometimes it is a guy that analyzes trades and salary information. Sometimes it is a kid walking behind a basketball executive in a mall.

It does help get people to his site, which is very good.

 

Doesn't mean they think Beverly is better, but rather more valuable. Value is based on a combination of talent, contract, & fit. We know Lin & Harden weren't a great fit, and we know Beverly makes substantially less.

 

I don't know.

It's a sham the way sham writes that makes me think it's a sham.

 

OK now I see... thanks.... I did the years for Lin and Asik because they are both the same and cap hits are the same and Les saved the the same amount for both Lin and Asik. 3.3 mil each contract but had on the cap hit 6.6 Mil for both players.

Did I get it right?


Jeremy Lin
5,000,000.......... 2012/2013
5,225,000.......... 2013/2014
14,898,938........ 2014/2015
UFA................... 2015/2016


Omer Asik
5,000,000.......... 2012/2013
5,225,000.......... 2013/2014
14,898,938........ 2014/2015
UFA................... 2015/2016

 

A 'story' is a rumor until you have quotes with names. Stories can be entertaining but they don't have to be true. And making a living selling stories is an honorable profession. Nothing against the poster, I just want to remind the users of the new media that just because something is 'posted' doesn't make it fact.

The appropriate level of response should probably just be, "hmmm"

 

You sound . . . dubious.

 

Correct. So trading either one of them this year will give the owner a little bonus break before the hit. But if we wait and try trading either one of them next year won't be as easy unless there is a very good reason.

IMO we trade who we are going to trade this year or we have them through the next offseason (though a 2015 deadline expiring might be possible as that bump gets watered down by prorating).

 

Sham and Dubious both spoke their mind about this story. Epic!:grin:

 

Agree with this. If shedding Bev's contract would make a significant difference - then he would be expendable too. While I think Lin is the better player, it's the salaries and current roster makeup that make him more expendable.

 

Not sure Lin's big hike prohibits Dwight as much as it might inhibit the next contract for Parsons. Looking at the options for Parsons and assuming this article is correct (http://rockets.clutchfans.net/3681/chandler-parsons-contract-take-two/), means a likely bump for him the same year Lin and Asik are due for their big payouts.

 

If the Rockets are forced to choose between Parsons, Lin, and Asik, I'm positive their priority list will look something like....

1) Parsons


2) Asik
















3) Lin

 

This.

We could probably come to some sort of consensus here on this message board that Beverley is at least 75% as good as Lin. Many posters feel he is significantly better than Lin. I'm not one of them. And there are a few LOFs that would say that Lin is multiplied times better than Beverley. But those guys would make up less than 20% of us.

So, if Beverley is 75% or more as good as Lin, then he should be making around $6 million per season......or........Lin should be making a little over $1 million per season. That is if either Lin or Beverley is being paid average market value.

But neither guy is. Beverley is severely underpaid for what he is. And Lin is probably slightly overpaid. This means that Beverley is lots better than Lin......lots better value that is.....it isn't even close. Beverley has value like Parsons has right now. Beverley along with Harden and Parsons is for all practical purposes on Morey's no-trade list. It would have to be a total home run deal, something like Lebron or possibly Kevin Love or Chris Paul or Paul George to be able to extricate Beverley from the Rox. That's how valuable Beverley's contract combined with his level of play is.

So in order of most valuable contracts, in other words players with the best trade values....it's gonna be

1. Harden - max player on max contract (underpaid)
2. Parsons - minimum salary contract for a player that is better at his postion than well over 50% of the starters at his position in the NBA.
3. Beverley -and rising, will surpass Parsons after this season when Parsons gets a new contract
4. Omer - underpaid rare defensive big, a top 3-5 defensive player in the league while earning in the bottom 1/3 of big man salaries.
5. Canaan, the new kid - as long as he signs a league minimum style deal with a low guarantee for at least 2 years. (until he proves he can't play. If he proves he can play, he'll shoot up this list and pass Omer and possibly Parsons if he is real good.)

6-7. DMo/TJones - first round rookies with serious potential being paid around $1.5 million each

8-9 GSmith/Tim Ohlbrecht - have shown some flashes and on minimum salary deals

10-13. Trob, Lin, RWhite, Anderson - TRob is making over $3 million on a rookie deal and hasn't shown very much, lots of throw-in value as an expiring, hard to gauge the other factors. Lin is making over $8 million per season and we could easily get 90% of the production he brings for less than $2 million (if Canaan works out, which I think he will). RWhite and Anderson have no value except as expiring contract throw-ins to make a trade work.


Now I am not saying Lin has a bad contract. But in the scale of what else we have on this roster and what we could do with that money (possibly pay Llull $4 million to come over here, which would actually make us significantly better, plus sign Dwight outright without trading any of our young bigs) that we pay him if he weren't on the roster, you can see where we would have to consider moving him.

Beverley is miles better in value, not in actual play on the court.

 

I don't understand this - - please explain.

 

With fif - teen roster spots can there not be a mix of the two?

 

Wasn't sure THIS Carl still existed, after not being able to get over the Pat trade.

THIS is an excellent post. Couldn't have said it better. I wish everyone who stands on either side of the Lin fence could take this approach - and leave some of the idiotic posts alone.

 

Why do people think that if a player is X times better, he should make X times more money?

Or vice versa?

I lost count of how many times I've read this horrifically flawed logic on a thread.

It is just unbelievably, incredibly, amazingly wrong.

 

I think there is a bigger issue here. How long is the Houston dynasty going to last? We are no longer in turnover stage but we are beginning to build. Turnover is when you have a sucky team that needs a reboot. Building is trading strategically for your pieces. Also, we're not like the Lakers who only have a precious year or two before everyone gets too old, everyone's young and has upside - even Harden.

When we got Harden, we needed a little more maneuvering to get another star. When this next trade happens and we have our two stars, I think high turnover trading is not a good idea anymore, and that we need to focus on growing the rest of the players.

I trust in Morey's stats. JLin contributed the most wins after Harden and Asik, and that was with his mediocre performance this year (initial injury, lack of p&r big man, off the ball troubles, shooting, etc). This alone makes me think that he has a lot of upside and can be more than worth his contract and a core of the team. If his contract isn't poisonous to our current positioning for the second star, then I think he can be a great part in the Rocket's decade dynasty. If he plateaus then we can drop him along the way but the fact is after the second star, we don't need any more trade jockeying - we just need to wait for everyone's ceiling and then decide to dump or keep.

In terms of ceiling, I think Parsons is closer to reaching his ceiling than both Asik and Lin, who are still very raw IMO.

And that's right, I said it. This dynasty will last a decade.