Lies exposed in embarrassing fashion: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...veillance-fact-sheets-off-website-167073.html
Anyone see the Two Minutes Hate on Greenwald by Dershowitz and Allred? Was pathetic. But it's a sign that this is actually upsetting those in power, and that is a good thing.
Here is a debate amongst "libertarians". The Judge, who actually is pretty damned libertarian* and John Stossel, who is OK with things like NSA spying but throws a fit when he thinks too much is being spent on libraries. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JUVXEKmgd5E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> *and a great speaker/person if you get the chance to hear him/talk with him; you will never find a harsher critic of the Neocons on Fox News than Andrew Napolitano when he's not being recorded
i did? where? i did? where? what i said was that i do not think that people who disclose illegal activity should be prosecuted, rather we should go after the people who are engaging in the illegal activity.
I think Snowden is in possession of something valuable to China or Russia because US government is going overbroad this time and ignored any diplomatic niceties. I believe unless Snowden seeks asylum in Russia, he will meet a very ugly end...
His data can be safe if he uses some open source encryption software (e.g. truecrypt) to encrypt the data. If he did that, then China/Russia will need to have the password to decrypt it. There were any news about anyone interrogating him in HK, so I presume the data was safe there. Now he is in Russia. As long as he doesn't defect or not forced to tell the password, the data should be safe, too.
Sorry - I assumed you were responding to your own post that I questioned, but the original was someone else.
LOL at our resident hero and his view on leaking info: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/snowden-in-2009-leakers-should-be-shot-in Snowden In 2009: Leakers Should Be ‘Shot In The Balls’ In 2009, NSA leaker Edward Snwoden said in a chatroom that people who leak classified information to media outlets should be "shot in the balls." The chats, obtained by Ars Technica, show what appears to be Snowden angry about a New York Times article about US actions in Iran that was based on confidential leaks. "WTF NYTIMES. Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus Christ, they're just like Wikileaks," he wrote in a channel on Ars Technica's public Internet Relay Chat (IRC) server. "They're reporting classified ****." When someone else in the chatroom told Snowden that the Times was simply reporting, he responding that they were reporting classified information about "an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignity violations of another country." "You don't put that **** in the NEWSPAPER...moreover, who the **** are the anonymous sources telling them this?" he added. Snowden then took another dig at the New York Times, saying that the paper has a "HISTORY of this ****." "These are the same people who blew the whole 'we could listen to osama's cell phone' thing the same people who screwed us on wiretappingover and over and over again. Thank god they're going out of business...Hopefully they'll finally go bankrupt this year," he said.
While what he uncovered was a significant issue, he is doing nothing but covering his ass... He deserves to be tried for treason..
Relevant. Btw, Mathloon, your Daily Beast article on Snowden's techno-stuff? Now, on the philosophy: I have no idea what this even means. I could point to a thousand self-determination movements from Hawaii to the American South to Scotland to Okinawa, but you seem to think that it's fine if a country splits whenever the people disagree on anything. Besides, I can throw that right back at you. People becoming unhappy with effective autocracies? When? If anything, it's the opposite. The tsars lost in 1905 and 1917, the people revolted. The Germans loved Hitler when they conquered Europe, the conservatives launched Valkyrie when they were clearly losing. Napoleon was beloved by the French, the Senate kicked him out when he lost Paris. The Soviets endured 70 years of hardship to make Russia great, then Gorbachev did Gorbachev things and destroyed the entire Soviet values system in the name of reform, the people reacted accordingly. The Chinese Emperors ruled for 5000 years, they lost their power when it was shown they could no longer compete with the Mongols, or the West, and so on.
It is not possible for him to be guilty of treason. In order for him to be guilty of treason the U.S. would have to be in a declared war. They aren't. No matter what Snowden did, the one thing we know it wasn't possible for him to have done is treason.
I think you could theoretically charge him with treason....but doing that would essentially be calling China and Russia enemies, so yeah, not a good idea. Just slap an espionage charge and other stuff instead.
I'm shocked at the support this guy is getting -- he took massive amounts of sensitive data to China and Russia. Snowden is traitor.
