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DOMA ruled unconstitutional. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by chrispbrown, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. chrispbrown

    chrispbrown Member

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    Great job by SCOTUS.
     
  2. mc mark

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    Your thread title may be too broad. Need to see the decision to know what they actually struck down and what it means going forward.
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    So what does this mean, really?
     
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    Not sure yet. It looks like they only struck down a part of DOMA? So far all I've seen is that legally married same sex partners can receive federal benefits. No implications yet that I've seen on the legality of same sex marriage itself, meaning it is likely still left to the states.

    Note: It takes a few minutes for SC decisions to become clear. You can't rush to put a thread up like a trade rumor.
     
  6. dmc89

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    Wow! I'm glad this was their holding.
     
  7. chrispbrown

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    It means same sex couples, acknowledged as married by their states, now gain full federal benefits.
     
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    FWIW, this should be treated as a win by a true conservative. The SC ruling that the federal government has to honor the wishes of a state? Sounds like a state's right win amirite teaparty?
     
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    Good news, but I am fairly certain that Roberts deliberately picked the order in which the decisions would be handed down so that the excitement over this one would wash out some of the anger over the yesterday's, which is arguably much more important. If you have rights, but can't elect people to support them because the people who are opposed to your rights have gamed the system, do you really have rights?
     
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    Title thread is too broad. Only Section 3 was struck down. Key sections such as Section 2 of DOMA (on the recognition of same-sex marriages from other states) stand, and there are arguments from the new opinion any case challenging Section 2 will have to deal with---chiefly that the finding in Section 3 was founded partly on the basis of state discretion in these matters, which will obviously bolster Section 2.
     
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    Congrats a small step closer to being a civilized society ;-)

    I'm curious to see what this will mean, and what exactly they decided.
     
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    Sorta. While each state can decide for themselves, each state CANNOT ignore marriages from other states. So if a CA couple moves to SC, then SC must acknowledge the marriage under Federal law.

    So IS it a win for conservatives?
     
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    In fact, they can.

    Section 2 of DOMA still stands; the opinion only invalidated Section 3.

    Kennedy is the swing vote. He would have to balence state irrationality with his love of state discretion on a repeal of Section 2, which means that Section 2 will likely stand for quite a while.

    From a pure states' right, enumerated powers view, this ruling is a fantastic victory. I'll take it anyways, but yeah, that is there.
     
  14. Commodore

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    just legalize it everywhere so people will shut up about it

    Gay marriage supporters enjoy getting to display their moral superiority more than they care about the issue, which is largely inconsequential (bennies and tax preferences and some other things you get with a marriage certificate).
     
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    commodore rants and raves about tax breaks for the rich, hates them paying an extra cent of tax

    Derides $363,000 in taxes, imposed for no reason other than to deny a couple decency, as inconsequential.

    twisty knobs.
     
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    Easy to say things are inconsequential when you're not the one being denied them, eh?
     
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    This country does not have a moral standard. The downward slope continues :(
     
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    Mike Huckabee's thoughts?

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>My thoughts on the SCOTUS ruling that determined that same sex marriage is okay: &quot;Jesus wept.&quot;</p>&mdash; Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/statuses/349911972378181632">June 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    Tears of Joy Mike, tears of joy.
     
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    Jesus hung out with the Lepers. If you're a Republican, who are the Lepers today? Huckabee is an embarrassment.
     

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