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Sources: Dwight and CP3 hope to team up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lancerthompson, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. justtxyank

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    Second City Saint, you're the

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    J.R. is OURS, and there is nobody like him!
     
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    That's what she said.

    Joking aside, I support PhiSlamma's position. I don't think Lin is necessarily amazing or irreplaceable, but some of the arguments that LOHs use are just moronic, and that ignore stats or reasoning or logic, pointing only to their own pure bias. It is frustrating to read. What about LOFs you say? Well, ever since the playoffs ended, LOFs have been reduced in a rather large amount, leaving more LOHs :X Or ABJs.
     
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    Only 5 teams have no state income tax in the NBA. I love that the rockets are one of the teams with that competitive advantage. I am sure Dan Gilbert has already cried to Stern about this, but he can't do anything about it.
     
  5. Angkor Wat

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    Another Dwight sighting with a Texas legend!!


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  6. pwnyxpress

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    Aren't you basing your criticism on fewer games? Besides, that April showing PhiSlamma used was just one example. He continued to be about that good for the REST of the regular season. You can use March as well since he was already improved by then, and may. Heck, that is half the regular season. I'm confused why judging him by half his regular season here + his time in NYK is somehow less accurate than judging him on his first half of the season here + like 2 playoff games. You'll have to explain that to me. Even WITHOUT context (injuries, etc.), the former would seem to be a better indicator than the latter.
     
  7. PhiSlamma

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    You just don't get it, still.

    It's not about the sample size. It's about the knee being healthy and at full strength. That's what the Chris Paul information was for.

    Like I said, you and others like HTown can stay with the simplistic "analysis" and positions. That's cool.

    Myself, I like a little more depth than that. But I know not everyone is the same kind of fan.

    Morey is extremely thorough. He's also "in too deep." And that's why I'm glad he's our GM, rather than someone of the ABJ set. He already knows the information I posted earlier.

    H-Town, just so you know: If you are analyzing a situation or circumstance, especially one that is stats-driven, saying "in too deep" isn't a diss. It's a white flag of surrender.

    Just so you know.
     
  8. PhiSlamma

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    Don't waste your breath.

    The last time we heard the "sample size" argument with Lin, it was to 'prove' he was a 'fluke' in New York.

    But, the ABJ crowd will be happy to use a 2-3 game sample size from the playoffs to "prove" Beverley > Lin.

    It's all junk.
     
  9. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I wish I could JR more rep. Dude is a machine. We are all very fortunate and lucky to have his contributions here on ClutchFans. Cheers to you JR! :cool:
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure Morey is down with using 10 game sample sizes then working your way backward to your preferred conclusion as a method of evaluating players. Sounds exactly like what someone with a analytic bent would be into.

    Stupid, stupid simpletons taking a much larger sample size of an entire season and drawing actual evidence from that. How can they be se stupid.
     
  11. Deckard

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    Absolutely. He's almost scary!
     
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    Haha! Looks like some elements of the ABJ gang get a bit cranky when they're called out. lolol
     
  13. PhiSlamma

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    *sigh*

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=238415

    Morey knows stats like the back of his hand.

    Again, glad Morey is the GM here.
     
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    PhilSlamma, reading your analysis makes me feel you are one of the analysts under Morey. I like the 'in too deep' style.
     
  15. PhiSlamma

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    Same story, over and over again. ^___^
     
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    Haha yeah I'm sure Morey is going to come out and call his young, starting PG mediocre. Makes sense.

    You stans are hilarious.
     
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    ABJ? A new acronym, really? Why does every poster need a label?

    Why is Lin being discussed in an irrelevant thread?
     
  18. PhiSlamma

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    Thanks, I and my pocketbook wish that were true. lol.

    I love the game and have studied it for a long time. I make videos about Lin, and have my own database with information on him. So, I particularly know him and his stats. But I have similar information on several other players in the league, too.

    Certain people are going out of there way to portray Lin in the worst light possible. I think there's kind of a pathetic element to it, especially for Rockets fans. But it happens to other players, too. I am certain Lin himself is more than used to it, and I respect that he just keeps grinding.

    Again, I would have taken CP3 over Lin in a heartbeat and have said that here before. But CP3 isn't coming, so my focus is more on Dwight and a PF now rather than the PG spot.
     
  19. PhiSlamma

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    Because CP3 is being discussed in this tread. Both are point guards. One was being talked about as possibly replacing the others. Then CP3 looked to be off the table, and so it was brought up by the ABJ crowd how it was time to start looking for another PG since CP3 was no longer available.

    That's how Lin got brought up, and it was completely relevant to the thread.
     
  20. rlivz

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    First of all, stop saying ABJ. No reasonable person would say that literally anyone would do better than Lin, and stupid acronyms are getting out of hand here. That being said, it's perfectly reasonable to believe that someone like Mario Chalmers or Reggie Jackson could outperform Lin, because those are competent NBA players, as is Lin. I'm not saying it's a fact, but don't discount people's reasonable opinions, then assign some stupid label on them.

    Second, stop perpetuating arguments with people who obviously don't have a good understanding of the cap and/or roster situation in a thread about Dwight Howard and CP3 which has now transitioned to just Dwight Howard. The Rockets won't get rid of Lin, regardless of what they think of him (which NOBODY outside the organization truly knows), unless it's to acquire a star. We don't need to ditch him to get Howard, which means unless he's packaged in a trade for Josh Smith or better, nothing is happening.
     

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