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Would Paul Millsap be a good corner 3pt shooter in the Rockets system?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by 2016Champions, Jun 24, 2013.

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What would Millsap's corner 3 percentage be if he were to play for the Rockets next season?

  1. 25-30%

    23 vote(s)
    22.3%
  2. 30-35%

    38 vote(s)
    36.9%
  3. Above 35%

    16 vote(s)
    15.5%
  4. Below 25%

    26 vote(s)
    25.2%
  1. pwnyxpress

    pwnyxpress Member

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    Sure, I just don't see Morey moving Asik this offseason, even if we sign Dwight. I would be surprised if that happened. A Dwight-Asik combo will probably be tested out, for a lot of reasons. If it doesn't work out, can always still move Asik at the trade deadline.
     
  2. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    In his rookie year. I guess players don't become better huh?
     
  3. 2016Champions

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    Ppat shot no 3s at all the season before..
     
  4. pwnyxpress

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    Difference between hoping he'd become better and saying trollish things that equate to: "I'm going to ignore OP's first post and anything Millsap has done this yr; ignore his corner 3 stats, even if they are few in amount and blindly say I would rather have DMo shoot 3's" -- kay.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Fact is Milsap isn't a floor runner like DMo. You're trying to create a new player by asking Milsap to play the perimiter based on statistics. IT'S NOT HIS GAME.

    Dmo has the tools to do what you want to pay $10 million a year for to a player WHO HAS NEVER DONE THAT.

    That seems like trolling to me.

    Last time Morey tried to change and player's game he signed Ariza to become a go to guy. Morey learned his lesson.
     
  6. 2016Champions

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    Millsap runs the floor well imo
     
  7. FLASH21

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    This is from Draftexpress:

    Which I pretty much agree with.

    His size and lack of quickness prevents him from being a good defender. He's great at grabbing defensive rebounds I'll give him that.
     
  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    He runs the floor slower than Patterson. That should be an indicator.
     
  9. pwnyxpress

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    What? What do we want from our player? DMo's defense is terrible. Millsap's is very good. As I mentioned earlier, it is well above average defense that he brings to the table, which is definitely something we need. Sadly, he doesn't bring the perimeter defense that a player like JSmith would bring (and still do just as well in the post on defense), but lightyears beyond whatever DMo offers on that end of the court.

    And how is this changing Millsap's game? Last few seasons, he's slowly been working on the corner 3 and improving, w/o it being a detriment to his overall game AT ALL. Check his stats over the last 3 seasons. There were even articles about it, though I assume most would not read them since it is about Millsap and Utah after all. I don't see how Millsap's development of a corner 3 would be different from...wait for it...2Pat's 3 pt corner shot, which was pretty dang nice while we had it. Millsap would be able to bring that w/ better post play, better rebounding and much better defense. How is it even comparable to the poor season DMo's had?
     
  10. pwnyxpress

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    It's funny that we read the same paragraph and came away w/ different conclusions. Not sure where in that quoted block of text did anyone say he wasn't a good defender. I got the opposite impression.

    Also, if you check out Millsap's RAPM numbers for last yr, he was a blazing 3.2 for DRating. This yr, up to the end of March, his DRating was 2.1, all well above average. He's no Josh Smith (esp. on the perimeter), but he'd be more than solid enough to patch up any defensive holes we had past the perimeter.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You seem to forget Millsap is 28 years old. He has reached his potential while Motiejunas just played his first year in the NBA.
     
  12. 2016Champions

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    It's possible for players to benefit from a different system even when they're 28 years old.
     
  13. pwnyxpress

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    Right, but we also know what Millsap can bring to the table. DMo? I haven't seen a good season out of him (a few good games, that is about it), so his stock is just as likely to plummet as it is to go up. I also think he's just not yet ready. He's more of a long term project -- I would be surprised to see any marked improvement out of DMo this next season. Millsap, as I mentioned, would be great to fit in for the right price and the right number of yrs (i.e., 2). Depends on how the market ends up feeling I guess. New cba, hard to guess.
     
  14. 2016Champions

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    Here's Hollinger's player profile on Millsap only one year ago:

    PAUL MILLSAP, PF
    Hollinger's 2012-13 Projections
    PTS REB AST PER
    18.8 10.0 2.9 19.9
    Stats are per 40 minutes | Hollinger player card




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    Scouting report
    + Undersized, high-energy 4 who can score around basket or hit midrange jumpers.
    + Excellent rebounder with good hands and wide frame. Amazing knack for steals.
    + Size a problem defensively. Good passer. Moves well without ball into openings.

    Analysis
    Millsap might be the most underrated player in the league. I love this guy. He's not a prototype 4 because he's undersized, but he's athletic, skilled and just knows how to play. He beats smaller players on post-ups, takes bigger ones off the dribble and confounds both with his midrange jump shot.

    Last season was his best yet -- he averaged better than a point every two minutes, ranked sixth among power forwards in player efficiency rating, and had he been in the Eastern Conference certainly would have made the All-Star Game. The key is how broad-based his skills are: Millsap was in the top half of power forwards in every category I track except fouls per minute. All of them.

    He was in the top quarter of power forwards in rebounds and assists. He got to the line and made his freebies. He made 41.6 percent of his long 2s and 71.6 percent of his shots in the basket area. He didn't turn it over. While he lacks a single defining go-to move, he has such an assortment of options that he can score on nearly anybody; in particular, his ball skills have really improved.

    And for an undersized 4, his defense sure doesn't seem to be a problem. He fouls a lot, and that keeps him off the court sometimes. However, the Jazz were once again better with him on the court than off it, while Synergy's stats rated him above the league average for power forwards.

    And then there's this little nugget: Millsap averaged 2.25 steals per 40 minutes. To put that in perspective, no other frontcourt player averaged more than 2.0, and no small forward matched Millsap's total either. The top 11 players in steal rate last season were 10 guys 6-4 or shorter -- and Paul Millsap.
     
  15. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Your not helping a Pf get better by asking him to take a less efficient shot while also taking him out of rebounding position. You are making him worse.
     
  16. 2016Champions

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    He shoots 41% on long 2s so asking him to take more corner 3s is actually a much more efficient alternative. 41% on long 2s is equivalent to 27% on 3s, and the majority of people would agree he can shoot significantly better than 27% on corner 3s.

    Logically speaking, he will benefit from playing with the Rockets because he will get more open looks (especially if we land Dwight).
     
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    It appears that if the Rockets wanted corner 2s and 3s, they should have just held onto Patt. Millsap rebounds more, but that's likely because he wasn't spending as much time on the perimeter. If used the same way as Patt, I think you would see his rebounding go down. They are very similar players in my opinion. Just used differently.

    *tried posting an image from my phone and it doesn't appear to work.
    http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1230-Patrick-Patterson/season/2012-2013-REG
     
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  18. pwnyxpress

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    Well Millsap would obviously not take that many corner 2's on the Rockets -- that isn't efficient. He'd step back and take the corner 3, which he makes a good % of (small sample though).

    But I don't think his rebounding will be affected. Currently he takes around 4 FGAs at the rim a game, converting 69% of them. His next most common shot is from 16-23 ft, converting 39% of them (his 10-15 ft range is converted at a pretty nice 48%). So Millsap is ALREADY taking plenty of long 2's. Taking a corner 3, the shortest 3, hardly makes me think his rebounds are going to plummet...It isn't like that extra foot or so is going to be THAT detrimental. Guy is athletic, hustles and has a good sense on how to rebound (think TRob). I doubt it will be impacted just because we're telling him to take the same number of shots as he already does at the very long 2, but just step a foot back lol.

    And remember, I don't see Millsap as OPTION A. I think he is essentially a better version of 2Pat. 2Pat wasn't bad. He wasn't amazing, but he wasn't bad. We made that deal to both clear cap space and really because we got a better asset back (at the time). Even now, it is easier moving TRob for a first round pick than it would be to move 2Pat for one.

    Finally, don't forget that Millsap is far superior to 2Pat as far as defense goes. Millsap would improve our team; COULD be a cheap and efficient/high value option as well. If for 2 yrs, would allow us to try to get LMA and Love as well. It's just another alternative to consider, or in conjunction to a Dwight signing or something.
     
  19. larsv8

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    And you determined that as horrible?
     
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    Good for you.
    :rolleyes:
     

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