Not really considering there was only one pg out of that entire list you could say Lin was possibly better than.
Finally this thread can be closed at some point today when Chris Paul is going to give his word he resigns with LAC. Since Doc is hired, there's 0 chance of him leaving imo but you guys can keep discussing it
Exactly. Also, it allows those "Anyone but Jeremy" guys to gloat while sidestepping being labeled haters or worse, trolls. The irony is that the "Only Jeremy" fans would have preferred the trade as well, since it would mean most likely Lin would have been shipped to another (perhaps better fitting?) team. So the people who were mainly focused on Howard, were the true Rocket fans.
The Anyone But Jeremy Crowd doesn't realize that while Jeremy Lin is probably currently only the 14th to 20th best PG in the NBA, pretty much everyone above him commands or will command a higher salary than him when off the rookie scale. But the gap between say the 5th best PG to the 15th best PG in the NBA is narrower than any other position in the NBA. The 15th best SG, SF, PF or C in the NBA corresponding to the 5th best at the position is such a big drop off in talent. The posters that say the NBA is full of very good PGs and so we should get an upgrade at whatever ignore that the difference from say 8th best to 16th best is actually very small (relative to other positions), and that the salaries involved in moving up from a Lin to a Chris Paul (or even a 2nd tier PG) would mean we lose Asik. For me, Chris Paul over Lin even at double the salary, all things equal, is a slam dunk. Chris Paul over Lin AND Asik knowing Howard may wear out or Asik or his contract might net us an an above average PF Is not so simple. If I was Morey, I'd reserve my max contracts for the SG and C positions where the drop-off in quality of players is very steep, and try to fill the other positions with above average players at cap and/or trade friendly deals. For the SF position, there's no point upgrading because we already have an $8M/yr-level player playing for near the minimum, so the question is whether we want to upgrade the PG position so much that we become porously thin at both PF and back-up C position, and basically everywhere else throughout the roster.
Rubio, Conley, Lillard, Lawson, Rondo and Holiday are borderline; it depends on how you are measuring what makes a good PG and how much weight you want to put on Lin's bad (recovering from injury) stretch last November - January and his good stretch from March onward. Lin has also shown that he can on occasionally score like Curry, Wall & Irving, but unlike those players he is not the man on our team. I mean, don't let me rain on your Lin hating parade, but if you actual have a rational system for rating PGs you'll see he definitely qualifies for the "above average" rating even the most timid commentators seem to agree on.
Lin hating parade? Not a single one of those teams would trade their respective pgs for Lin. Outside of the LoFs on this board most unbiased opinions I come across evaluate Lin as an average point guard at the absolute best.
Most people seem to rate players on raw box scores or other equally flawed statistics. I don't really like making comparisons between players because unless you've really been following the team and watching the player or have access to advanced statistics you're not going to be able to measure the true value of a player. Some players are the main options on their team. Others are not the main option but are the primary ball handlers. Some players had injury issues, others did not. Coaching staff also makes a difference. Take Harden for example. A lot of people were wondering whether he was really worth the max when the Rockets signed him. But going from 6th man to being the main option AND the main ball handler, as well as having the entire offense structured to maximise his strengths AND seemingly not being required to make any effort on the defensive end has made a big difference to his stats. Not to mention increased minutes and the confidence of knowing that whether he is playing well or poor he's not going to get benched. There are two kinds of people that will blindly judge a player on simply raw stats. People who are unintentionally clueless (unfortunately the vast majority of fans) people who are intentionally intellectually dishonest (haters). Lin NOW is a better player than he was during Linsanity. This is evident by how he has improved almost every aspect of his game that was criticized at the time. Of course if you just measure by box scores you might think that Linsanity was some kind of unattainable fluke peak, and there is really no cure for that kind of ignorance.
Yes Harden got the offense structured around him because he is one of the elite 5-10 players in the league that are capable of carrying the load offensively. I do like to use statistics to judge players, however I also watched almost every single Rocket's game this season. Both of which supported my conclusion that Lin is an average point guard.
I'd still take Lin over Rubio. But that's the only one. Lin is like, what, top 20? Simply because, if people thought Lin was a terrible shooter, I cannot comprehend why they'd want Rubio.
Kevin Durant hasn't won sh-t but scoring titles. Being well liked and or popular has a lot to do with endorsement deals.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I can only say from my perspective-but I think Dwight Howard is noticing what's happening for CP3 and what's not happening for him with LAL</p>— Eric Pincus (@EricPincus) <a href="https://twitter.com/EricPincus/statuses/348945854754873344">June 23, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
fwiw <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"They fired Vinny, the get Doc, now what are they gonna do with Blake?" <a href="https://twitter.com/JRudolphSports">@JRudolphSports</a> just asked.</p>— David Baumann (@DavidBaumann33) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidBaumann33/statuses/349129254841225216">June 24, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"The Lakers aren't going to trade Dwight Howard to the Clippers when they already lost Chris Paul to the Clippers," <a href="https://twitter.com/JRudolphSports">@JRudolphSports</a> told us.</p>— David Baumann (@DavidBaumann33) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidBaumann33/statuses/349130420325072896">June 24, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"I could see myself playing another 3 or 4 years," -<a href="https://twitter.com/kobebryant">@kobebryant</a> to Brazilian TV station.</p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/statuses/349163090996236288">June 24, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> If I was DH and heard or read this...I would puke in my mouth and say Daryl...where do I sign?
So I do not keep up well on weekends...any major breaking news? clippers stuff doesnt mean much to me. I think the garnett thing would have more impact then doc if they were in play for howard. Garnett is better suited at PF and would fit great next to Howard. Blake-Pf and Garnett- C wouldnt be any better then having jordan out there. Thats why I felt that was a precursor to a major run at howard. I think the rockets tell howard look. We have all our assets. After we get you we are going to trade everything it takes to get that 3rd star. (i say Dmo or T jones, Asik, and 2 first rounders for Aldridge)
No way Dwight to L A C, so what's it going to be Play with Harden or Kobe old ass team vs. young and hungry Texas without taxes California less pay if you want that ring go to Houston all day!
