Who Has a Better History of Big Men? LA Lakers or Houston Rockets

Is this a serious comment? We are talking about Moses vs. Kareem, and I give visual evidence and statistical evidence backing up crash. How is that not pertinent?

 

1981 Moses vs Kareem:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198104010LAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198104030HOU.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198104050LAL.html

Moses, once again, wiping out Kareem. Maybe I just had to show Rockets evidence in case he doesn't know about the 1983 championship.

 

I wonder about these 'fans' who quickly dismiss the ROCKETS player over another player.

 

Damn didn't know Moses was this much of a beast

you rarely hear him get talked about, but his numbers are insane

 

Moses

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It is really influenced by the media attention. Players who had the benefit of media attention are always rated higher in the grand scheme of things. Moses is one of those guys that just people do not hear about anymore. Everybody talks about Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, etc. Yet nobody mentions Moses. The man was a monster, and I cannot rate Kareem higher when Moses outplays him consistently. People see Kareem's accolades, yet do not look at the context, or the whole picture. Moses outplayed him, to simply state.

 

The point, although it deals with Rockets players, goes beyond the Rockets. If Player A outplays Player B in more than one playoff series during their primes, how can Player B be considered the better player? Just absurd to me. Some of the Rockets' players are criminally underrated, and it is sad to see people that have never watched them rank the Rockets' playersbehind their contempories they outplayed on many occasions.

 

I have not watched basketball before the mid-late 80s so I usually shy away from rating the players before that period (Russel, Chamberlain, Oscar, etc,).

I had Moses in a the second tier of centers but after looking at how well Moses did against Kareem, I have to say I think he is in the same tier as the best centers (although I admit again, I am going by the numbers and head to head performances. I have not watched him play).

If you can consistently outplay KAJ in the playoffs multiple times, and even sweep his team in the finals, you deserve R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

 

Very true.

Without Big Mo, Akeem likely wouldn't have turned out to be The Dream.

 

Rudy T warned us about Non Believers in 1995, he was talking about newbs on Clutchfans

He saw the future

 

It's because the overwhelming number of members here were simply too young to see him dominate his position, which he most certainly did. I'd like to hear some goofus claim that "Kareem was past his prime" when discussing Malone. I really would.

Come on, people, lay out your BS argument.

 

I voted Lakers on this one and here's why. We're not just noting who outplayed whom, but the overall history of the bigs with that team. You have to include NBA championships won & the LA bigs have many more than Houston's. Also the tv exposure gained by all the LA finals appearances helps.

As far as Moses is concerned, when I picture him, I see "SWEAT". Every time he stepped onto the court, he looked like Robert Hayes sitting in the pilot's seat with water poring down his face in the movie "Airplane". Moses was all effort!

 

You voted all wrong like. Hakeem > Shaq; Hakeem > Kareem; Moses > Kareem. Wilt was old when he played for the Lakers and I think pretty much no one who posted in this thread remembers watching Mikan.

The Lakers have a FANTASTIC history of centers, they just weren't better than the Rockets. In other words, believe in your inner homer.

 

Moses is better than Kareem. But the Lakers still have the better history of big men than the Rockets, because Moses had to leave our team to win. Mikan, Kareem, and Shaq > Olajuwon and a ringless Moses even though if you're doing individual rankings of big men, I'd personally agree with Shaq and go Olajuwon #1 and Moses #2.

 

Can't find a link right now, but Moses trained a lot with Hakeem either at UH or with the Rockets. I don't remember which one. Also, Carroll Dawson taught Hakeem a lot of the footwork necessary for his moves, but his dream talent took it to the next level.

 

Dream is way better then shaq offensive nightmare from inside but let's no just look offensively. Defensively dream just flat out changed the way people would play the rockets.