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Sources: Dwight and CP3 hope to team up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lancerthompson, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Firebomb525

    Firebomb525 Member

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    Gotta do whatever you can to keep the player who has made you relevant again stick with the team.

    Would we not ask Harden for input on who we should nab? (though its clear he's on board with getting Howard so point may be moot.)
     
  2. pwnyxpress

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    Oh yeah, and to add on, yes BG is 23 yr olds and was 20/9/4/57 TS% this past season, he was almost 21/11/3/56 TS% last season. Let me know where the 'significant improvement' is at.
     
  3. Hakeemtheking

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    The Clippers should just get rid of their gm, hire a contracts guy and appoint Paul as players/gm. This is beyond pathetic.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    Why is it crazy? Would you let one of the 3 best players in the league leave before you'd let him pick a coach?
     
  5. J.R.

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    It is but I guess I understand why too.

    With that said, maybe someone should ask LeBron - 'Hey LeBron, what's better, this super-team in Miami or being Player/GM in Cleveland?'

    People mention 'Paul isn't leaving LA, he basically has input into everything! He's gonna pick the next coach blah blah blah' (And I don't disagree, he isn't leaving, he will be a part of picking the next coach, he did have some part in VDN not getting his contract renewed.)

    Meh, that's overrated. Who cares if you have control if you aren't winning.

    Hey Chris Paul, how is your playoff success?

    But at least he gets input and control in everything, right?!

    Funny enough, they want all this control but these guys won't own up to it if/when things go bad.
     
  6. aelliott

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    Even using his per36 his scoring and rebounding have still declined every season that he has been in the league. I am still missing the big jump that he supposedly made last year

    Fg% may be the wrong way of looking at efficiency but since I never mentioned efficiency at all then it really has nothing to do with my statement
    Efficiency is an interesting stat but if you simply go by that then you will end up believing that Kevin Martin is a superstar.
     
  7. Fyreball

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    And therein lies the rub. At a certain point, the organization has to stand up and do what's right for themselves. Players rarely have the fundamental understanding of what it takes to be successful at an executive level. They (I'll say this loosely) understand X's and O's, and where to be on the court at the right times, but they don't understand how it all comes together to make a profitable AND successful team. I'm all for allowing your main cogs some autonomy within the structure of the system, as well as the freedom to give their opinion on personnel decisions, but to blindly allow them to dictate the direction of the team is a major folly. Guys like Dwight, Paul, Carmelo, even LeBron will NEVER take accountability for failed ventures in personnel decisions because they will always hide behind the job description. They aren't GM's, just like GM's aren't players. The line has to be drawn, and I'm very glad the Rockets seem to have a GM who gets that.
     
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  8. thekad

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    And if you simply go by FG%, you will end up believing Javale McGee is a superstar. What's your point? FG% is pointless to bring up in place of TS%. Saying that someone's FG% has declined is disingenuous when their TS% has actually increased.

    His scoring has dropped from 21 to 20. That's nothing. Meanwhile, he has improved his efficiency, his defense, and his passing.

    Huh? When did I say he significantly improved over last season? I showed that he only really regressed in one area while improving in other multiple others. I never said he made some big leap as you seem to presume.
     
  9. pwnyxpress

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    Uh, did you not even read the posts you were quoting?

    You are responding to a post about Griffin not making a big jump; a post that also was responding to someone else that said Griffin made a significant jump last season. aelliott and I both disagreed. Then you came in and said how he has improved his TS% and defense (untrue), ORTG, DRTG (not true again) and passing. Also how advanced stats have 'shown this improvement'.

    You'll have to explain to me how you weren't arguing that he has significantly improved when he hasn't, given the posts you quoted, the conversation you jumped into and the statements you yourself made.
     
  10. robinjaswal23

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    Les has said hell go over the cap and pay tax fr a contender. Teams like MIA and LA pay tax to have top teams so can we. CP3 HARDEN PARSONS JONES HOWARD and fill Vets and other pieces as bench. Plus we can convince them to take pay cuts.
     
  11. robinjaswal23

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    Les has said hell go over the cap and pay tax fr a contender. Teams like MIA and LA pay tax to have top teams so can we. CP3 HARDEN PARSONS JONES HOWARD and fill Vets and other pieces as bench.
     
  12. don grahamleone

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    Howard and CP3 have not come out and demanded maximum salary, right? What is to prevent them from playing together on this team? They can take less salary like Lebron, Wade and Bosh for the sake of winning.

    If they really want to play together, they will. However, I'd take the money if I were them.
     
  13. thekad

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    1) TS% has gone from 55% -> 57%. ORTG has gone from 111 -> 114. DRTG has gone from 107 -> 102. DRAPM has gone from 0 -> 1.2. So, uh, all that definitely is true.

    2) Actually, I was responding to a post that claimed Griffin was trending down. I showed that he wasn't. I never said he made a big jump nor even implied he had. Maybe you can go back and find where I have.
     
  14. megastahr

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    Thanks this is basically what I was talking about and more.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...-has-improved-the-most-with-the-little-things

    I love how certain people love to use basic stats to prove "their"point and you know they know better. But then use advanced stats when they are trying to prove "their" point.

    If you watched Blake play at all you could see his game really improved...but thanks for input aelliot.
     
  15. pwnyxpress

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    Unless they take an amount so low it is unheard of for a player of their statures (ex: $9M each), we will need to move pieces to accommodate. Howard is relatively easy -- move TRob for free. CP3 is tougher as he would require moving Lin/Asik/TJones/DMo. This is assuming we sign him outright and we waive and stretch White.

    Even if they were to take significant paycuts like LBJ/Bosh/Wade, or even greater ones, and sign for 20%! less than their max (so $15M and $16M), that is still $31M when we only have roughly $17M in cap room before any trades. Of course, if they are willing to take SUCH large paycuts, we'd only have to move TRob, Asik and one of DMo/TJones for free, which is much easier than having to move Lin's contract too...I somehow doubt though that they'd be willing to take paycuts that large though.
     
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  16. pwnyxpress

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    aelliott's and my subsequent posts sort of debunked thekad's post.
     
  17. megastahr

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    About his def that is what had improved the most

    "You have to take the Synergy Sports defensive numbers with a grain of salt, but the dramatic improvement in his ranking from being in the 300s in points per possession last season to being in the top 25 for points per possession allowed this season is legitimate. He's defending on an individual and team basis like many of his supporters prayed he'd eventually get to."

    Not trying to be a jerk pwny...appreciate the discussion. Alleiot on the other hand jus argues to argue.

    I watched Blake play a lot and I could see a massive improvement all over the courts to say otherwise you weren't watching
     
  18. pwnyxpress

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    Weird then that his RAPM DRating DROPPED in 2013 from his 2011-2012 season's 1.9 to 1.2, esp. as that takes into account the 'team' stuff as well (supposedly).
     
  19. megastahr

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    Not really read the article
     
  20. pwnyxpress

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    I don't think you're being a jerk. I enjoy the discussion. I just don't think he's shown significant improvement, and I fail to see any supporting evidence in basic or advanced stats that show he has. Has he regressed? No, not really, outside of rebounding, which should not be so easily overlooked. But for the most part, he has stayed about the same or even slightly improved (though in some areas, again like rebounding, dropped). But I just can't find his significant improvement anywhere, including his defense. Does that mean he isn't a great player? No; I think he is still a very good player and an all star, but that was never what I was arguing about in the first place :)
     

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