fwiw <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Again: Clippers source reiterates team is definitely not trading Blake Griffin.</p>— Dan Woike (@DanWoikeSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/347024453324111872">June 18, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Clippers may not want to part way with Griffin, but let's not forget the Paul factor. If Paul threatens to leave unless you trade the house for Howard, what do you do? After all, having Paul+Howard isn't that bad It really depends on how badly the two want to play with each other.
I totally agree with this and I do agree with what the Cat quoted earlier from Larry Coon. However, Im just trying to be realistic about things, and see them from a GM's perspective where Im ruling out risk. If its possible on paper to happen, then I MUST consider it a real threat. On paper, IF the Clippers make the KG/Doc deal, CP3 has come to a verbal agreement with Clippers Mmgt contingent on these deals(possibly using Atlanta as leverage), and IF they do end up offering Blake/Bledsoe to LAL for Dwight instead of losing him to the Rockets for nothing- A. Im dumb if Im the Lakers and I dont try to get a player like Blake Griffin if I know for a fact Im losing Dwight Howard B. Im dumb if Im Howard, and I dont entertain going to the Clippers as part of a S&T to join another super team. It would be very un-realistic if you think about the context of the Lakers/Clippers/NBA history, but on paper, I would need to make sure that either due to NBA rules, or the salary cap this move with 105% impossible to make. If someone can explain to me how its impossible to be made then I will feel much more confident about Dwight Howard signing with Houston.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9399106/los-angeles-clippers-walk-away-boston-celtics-deal-sources Clippers lowballing-lol. Doc Rivers is probaly going away mad too.
Is it possible to have Harden-Paul-Howard and Asik, or is trading away Asik necessary if we form a big three? Also, I know Brooks, Delfino, Anderson, Ohlbrect and Garcia are for sure gone...as well as Robinson and Lin by way of trades... But can we keep Beverley, Smith, Motiejunas, and Jones? Paul/Beverley Harden/FA Parsons/Jones Asik/Motiejunas Howard/Smith Is that lineup feasible with the cap rules, or will more players from this lineup have to be sacrificed if we create a big 3?
Chris, you want to continue to play for this owner? <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>As Clippers-Celtics talks fall apart, several sources tell Y! that Clippers had "cold feet' on the financial payouts needed to close deal.</p>— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/347030934127796225">June 18, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Clippers refused to give additional 1st-round pick, but ultimately $35M extension for Rivers and $3M-plus Jordan trade kicker played part.</p>— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/347031502514683904">June 18, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Interested to see what CP3 does now. If he threatens to go FA, does it bring Clips back to table?</p>— Steve Bulpett (@SteveBHoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveBHoop/statuses/347032877151711232">June 18, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
IF the trade for Doc and KG goes thru CP3 has no further leverage to make demands. But that's looking less and less likely. Plus this:
good news guys...Howard to houston is back in play. No way clippers trade griffin...unless they are getting KG to man the PF. Howard to houston. Then we trade asik for Garnett...and lee or terry : )
JR thanks for all the updates...I like keeping this thread as the main source of dwight/houston related info. Makes it easy to keep up.
You know all that has to happen is Chris Paul makes one phone call (probably doesn't have to make it himself) and says that no Doc/KG deal, no re-sign with Clips... possibly using Atlanta/Dallas/Houston as leverage. I still think this Doc/KG deal gets done eventually. Its just like trade rumours that start to surface in January as opposed to February... most of the time, they go dead in Januay and resurface at the last minute in February. The reason why the deal fell apart is because of a lack of urgency by both teams. NBA GM's need deadlines to get deals done. There is still a few weeks left to get this deal done, and Chris Paul will have alot of influence to see that this gets done. There is still a week and a half of craziness that can happen, and most of it hasn't directly involved Dwight yet. Just wait until next week when the Lakers start making moves...(Im banking they will make some sort of move... Maybe moving Nash, Gasol, or amnesty MWP). Dwight to Houston is far from a sure thing.
Sterling up to his old Sterling tricks. imo, great move on their part to dump a horrible contract (Jordan's) while only giving away low first round picks, just to save some money they'd have to pay Rivers and Jordan's trade kicker. That is probably why LAC will never be a true contender -- not willing to spend and would rather nickel and dime. Not my money, so I guess I have no right to complain, but when your 'competitors' aren't all trying to nickel and dime to make a significant move... I wonder if this negatively impacts CP3's impression of LAC further...and how that affects Dwight.
To think the clippers, if they had ANY OWNER BUT STERLING could have: Howard Garnett Pierce WHOEVER CP3 And are instead choosing to save a few million bucks and likely lose CP3 to FA. Only Sterling can find a way to ruin a team for a few million as a billionaire himself.
If this were any other franchise I would agree, but for some reason, I can see Sterling saying, "Well eff that CP3 guy" and do whatever the heck he wants. He's done plenty of stuff like that in the past...and continues to do stuff like that (ex: laying blame of Vinny's firing to CP3).
i won't call these talks dead until the clippers hire a coach. boston is in a tough spot. garnett can just retire, rivers can walk, and pierce will need to be cut. do they think jordan + 1 future first is worse than cap space? maybe they think jordan's contract is just that bad...
I think clippers just wanted to show CP3 they tried...but do not ultimately want to deal Jordan, Bledsoe, Picks, and Griffin for Dwight and KG. Basically its trade future, youth and potential. For marginal upgrade (in their eyes to howard), An almost retired KG, and a great coach...but with so many awesome coaches avaiable that will be cheaper. It makes no sense. Look for CP3 to be pacified with byron scott and promise to add talent sometime this offseason.
I dont think so. Do you really think Howard/ (almost retired KG) and doc rivers is really better then Griffin, Jordan, Bledsoe, 2 first round picks!, and 30 mil for doc + 3 mil trade kicker for Jordan. Griffin has upside could be as good as Dwight going forward if dwight is on decline (as he at least appeared to be) Bledsoe has a ton of trade value in his own right. Who knows what KG has left or how long. It could very well be the mutumbo thing where he gets injured during the season and quits. He is like 38 or something. I think its actually a wise move...as long as they keep CP3
Bolded is the tough part though. No guarantees either way, though I would imagine a change is better than no change, esp. if some rumors are to be believed. But in 3-5 yrs, I would say youth obviously wins out. Yet CP3/Pierce/Garnett/Howard for the next 2 yrs is >>>>>> keeping some low first round picks (one of which is in a weak draft), Bledsoe (RFA in a yr and just trade bait) and DJordan's crappy contract. Easily. Win-now mode, those moves w/ the Celts would have been much better. You're forgetting about Pierce in this equation as well. Getting old but come on, he brings a lot to the table. KG is old and only has a yr or two left, but he's still good because, unlike Dwight, KG has a midrange jumper and SKILL in the post. Not brute force. The money is a lot, but it isn't salary cap money. Sterling being cheap here hurts the team. Again, not our money but it is him valuing that money more than winning, which is fine...except most other owners (esp. owners of teams that win) tend to value winning more Know who else valued money more than winning? OKC's owner -- wonder how that turned out (GREAT!...for us hahaha).
disagree. if they're to give away deandre jordan now without being assured of dwight and cp3, it's a huge, huge gamble. they could potentially be left without cp3 and only KG and Doc to show for it. that would've been a disaster. they don't hold all the cards, and for them to even get howard they'll need to know that the lakers will absolutely trade him for someone on the clippers, which is not a sure thing. so, for them to walk away from this tells me a few things... cp3 is NOT totally set on doc and will be okay with the other candidates that are available, and that they're saving all their assets for a big dwight push IF cp3 really wants it.
