NBA Fans PISSED a Mexican-American Boy sings "their" National Anthem

Apparently, America thinks 24 people being injured by a deck at a Miami sports bar collapsing into the ocean is karma.

After all, 10 people on twitter said so...

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...ved-to-fall-off-deck-of-sports-bar/?cmpid=tps

 

what's interesting is out of all the countries on earth, those whose population most wants to immigrate to the US are in a tiny African country called Liberia. 37% of their people would up and move to the us (http://www.gallup.com/poll/153992/150-million-adults-worldwide-migrate.aspx)

Want to know what's interesting about Liberia? The country that was founded by freed US slaves in the early 1800s.

So you could ask the question as to whether it actually was a long term benefit for Africans to "immigrate" to the US...

 

well, that's poster board material.

If you find yourself whitewashing slavery, I think it's time to call it a day.

 

How you jumped to the conclusion that I just whitewashed slavery is beyond me. I did not.

 

well, you can enlighten me on what your quote marks around immigrate were about---to me, it looks like you made it an open question as to whether it was actually beneficial for African "immigrants"---read slaves---to come to America. That's not an open question unless you're whitewashing slavery away.

 

In addition to a fascination with the blacks, bigtexxx is fond of claiming the descendants of slavery should be thankful for said slavery bringing them to America. I guess the tens of thousands that were killed in the process are just the price of progress.

 

Whoa. No.

There's no question slavery was a horrible thing.

But for the descendants of slaves in the US -- do you think they are better off vs. being in Africa?

 

I wish I could say I was surprised by your ignorance but I'm not.


I could go into the reasons why you are wrong and give you some history behind the native Liberian and Americo-Liberian conflict......instead I will simply say **** you because you are an idiot.

There is NO benefit that comes from being chained to the bottom of a boat laying in human excrement for months at a time only to live a life of slavery if you survive. Absolutely no benefit....you are a devil for even suggesting that there is one.

 

Fixed.

 

Sigh. You are conflating issues.

 

Not at all, I understand your argument.....at best it is one made out of ignorance, at worst it is one that is the product of racism and ethnocentrism.

Your argument completely ignores the effects of removing/killing millions of working age young africans over a period of 400 years and then the terrible effects of the colonial system which is something that the current generation of Africans has lived through.

You are uneducated on the issues you are trying to discuss sir.

 

I forgot to add the continuing exploitation of the African continent and its people for natural resources.

 

What's really odd, besides bringing up this whole better off concept in the first place, is that you never make this argument about other atrocities in world history. You never talk about descendants of the holocaust being better off in America or Bosnians being ethnically cleansed or what have you. Why is that?

 

Ummm you literally JUST gave benefits of forced "immigration" of Africans to the U.S. otherwise known as Slavery. What the **** is YOUR definition of whitewashing? That is as clear as freakin day whitewashing.

 

Not really. I hate to ever find myself in these debates, but I don't think it is whitewashing slavery to save that John Smith, current day African American is better off because of slavery. I wouldn't argue the ends justify the means at all, slavery was still wrong, all of the people who participated in it should have been shot, etc. But John Smith is better off today than he otherwise would have been had he born into poverty in Africa.

That's not whitewashing. Horrible actions don't have 100% horrible outcomes for all parties for all generations and someone somewhere in the future benefiting doesn't downplay the atrocity of something.

Now, the flipside of the argument (that goes against BigTexx) is that perhaps Joe Smith would have been able to migrate here voluntarily, or his parents or grandparents would of. And in a hypothetical world with no slavery that would be an even better situation.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CometsWin again.

Truth

 

I don't know much about the Bosnian situation, but comparing the potential "Jews in Europe today without a holocaust" situation to "Africans being in Africa today with no slavery" is kind of silly. I'm not even sure I think a Jew in America today is better off than a Jew in parts of Europe today.

 

It is white washing and you are uneducated on the issues we are discussing as well. Life wasn't all honey and sugar after emancipation and the African continent is far from the hell hole that it is often portrayed as. Not everybody is living in huts with flies on their eyes despite what "Christian save the world" organizations would have you believe.

I could rattle of specific reasons who "Joe-Smith" the "Average African american" isn't better off because of slavery but that would be a long post.

Bottom line, the ONLY silver lining to the dark cloud that was the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade is that we survived it.

 

You have no idea what my education level on any of the issues is. Just because someone disagrees with you on a nuanced point doesn't mean they are uneducated.

No one said either of those two things and neither would have to be true for my point to be true.

See above, same applies.

Are you black? I think so based on your "we" terms.

Would you trade your life in the US for a life in Africa tomorrow? The answer is probably no. It's not condoning slavery or justifying it to say that a person who is here today because one of his ancestors was a slave benefits today.

 

Based on your comments about, I can tell that you are not as well read on the issues as you think you are. On the surface it makes sense, until you actually study and realized what has occurred and what is still going on.

I'm not even going to address your 2nd and 3rd points.

Yes I am African/black

As for your last point........it depends on what kind of Africa you are referring too. Now if your asking me if I would trade the life I currently live in the U.S. if that would "reverse the sails" and return to my family what was taken from us, then the answer is YES......everyday of the week and twice on sunday.

As I've said earlier, the only silver lining of that time period is that WE survived it.