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Sources: Dwight and CP3 hope to team up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lancerthompson, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. psman2

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    If we can convince both CP3 and Dwight to take a million dollar pay cut each then we can keep both TJones and DMoe. (Assuming we move Greg Jones, White, Asik, Lin, and Trob for pure cap space)

    James Harden $13,800,000
    Terrence Jones $1,551,840
    Chandler Parsons $926,500
    Tyler Honeycutt(capcharge) $100,000
    Donatas Motiejunas $1,422,720
    Patrick Beverley $788,872
    CP3 $17,700,000
    Dwight $19,500,000
    Cap charges (5) $2,455,000

    Total: $58,244,932
     
  2. ejarts

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    No way in hell Rockets get rid of Asik. Asik is the only guy who can make Rockets survive the elite teams in the playoffs. HUSTLE plays wins playoffs. Asik does it nightly, plus Stat machine. He's a hybrid of Yao presence in paint+ Rodmans rebounds, ofcourse the Diet version. :)

    Asik represents what Coaches want players to do. EFFORT, HUSTLE, HARDWORK.
     
  3. tr3yzle

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    All of these guys have the hopes, dreams and ideas of teaming up, but it's going to come down to a good GM to move pieces accordingly and clear enough cap space. At the end of the day, I don't think CP3 goes anywhere and they bring Doc Rivers in and ship Butler, Jordan, cash and picks to Boston for KG or Paul Pierce with the other one being bought out and joins him in LA. I think Paul stays in La, where as Dwight goes to Houston.
     
  4. aelliott

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    You're leaving out some things:

    Those exceptions count against the cap. So, if you're going to maximize your cap space then the exceptions will have to be renounced. In other words, you get either the MLE or $5M in cap space but not both. If you're going to sign Howard and Paul then you'd have to renounce the exceptions.

    Atlanta has two first round picks that will start counting against the cap as soon as the draft picks are made. If they want to sign Paul and Howard then they'd need to move those picks to free up the cap space.

    Mack and Scott are non-guraranteed so they would be moved to max out the cap space.

    If you have less than 12 players on the roster then your cap gets charged a $490K Incomplete Roster caphold for each empty roster spot. If you only had Horford, Williams and Jenkins under contract then that would be 9 slots that get charged the cap hold for another $4.4M.
     
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    ******* greedy bastards. I don't even know how I'll spend all of 19 million dollars.lol I'm content with a 3day meal, doing music and arts.
     
  6. pwnyxpress

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    Wait, are CP3 and D12 still taking ~$250k paycuts in this scenario? If yes, then moving White instead of waiving/stretching him only squeezes out $550k ish extra. So if we moved him instead, we got that. If we then move GSmith for free, then add $900k to that. We'd have just about enough to keep one of DMo or TJones, prob DMo who is $1.4M vs TJones' $1.5M.
     
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    Question: does that roster cap hold charge even count if you are ABOUT to sign a player? For example, pretend Team A has 11 players at the moment, so there is a $490k roster charge. They have the money to sign the 12th player to a $9.5M contract, but the 12th player's max is $10M. Can they sign him to $10M? Since he effectively takes up that last slot? Or will the $490k charge still hold UNTIL he is signed and STILL count against the space Team A can offer the 12th player? (i.e., only ~$9.5M?)
     
  8. mattlivin05

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    im kinda getting a feeling that the rox wont mind going over the salary cap if they get howard and paul
     
  9. aelliott

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    Yes it counts until you add the new player.
     
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    Sure...the problem is how we get the two of them on our team in the first place.
     
  11. aelliott

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    Greg Jones? He hasn't even played a game for the Texans yet and you're already trying to trade him?
     
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    Oh my, been doing my math incorrectly then. Thank you for clarifying this.
     
  13. Skyhoop

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    Yes, it holds. Because the minimum is actually 13 players, not 12. So if you use roster charges to bring the team up to 12, then any free space calculated would be what you can use to sign that 13th person.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Hey Dwight? You thought playing with Kobe was hard? On a day-to-day basis, CP3 is even more relentless and unforgiving. But good luck!</p>&mdash; Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/345579323312459777" data-datetime="2013-06-14T16:31:45+00:00">June 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    If CP3 and Howard want to play together and stay in LA, they can totally force the Clippers and Lakers hand. Basically, CP3 and say he's going to play in Atlanta with D-12 if they don't trade Blake Griffin to Lakers for Howard. Lakers wouldn't trade Howard to the other team in LA unless it involved Blake Griffin I'm sure. Dwight would go ahead and say the same thing that he sort of like Houston or Atlanta or even San Antonio. Lakers would be getting the better deal with Griffin being that he has a huge upside and is way more marketable than Howard. With the Clippers gutting the Celtics for parts, I suppose they can start Garnett at the PF slot for a few years.

    Lakers will be able to start Gasol at C with Blake at PF and then go after Lebron to pair up with Blake in 2014. I guess everyone is happy in this scenario and both of the primadonnas get to live in LA and get everything they want to boot...including their max deals.

    I read that Doc Rivers was very intrigued about coaching Clippers so he can go after rings. It seems we are in bizzaro world here...Doc Rivers wants to leave the Celtics because he can win rings on the Clippers. The armageddon is coming boys if this is the new reality.

    All these leaks are clearly created by the agents to make Kupchak think there's a lot of interest out there for Dwight. And so he can come in with his demands on July 1.
     
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    Yep after cutting Greg Jones will can bring in Leach for the min to be our new Chuck Hayes.
     
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    Taking a pay cut not only hurts them in this contract, and in every year of the contract (raises are calculated based on the first contract year), but it also hurts them in all future contracts that they sign with Houston or any other team (starting salary maxes for new contracts can be based off the last contract year's salary).

    This is why Dwight is able to get $20.5M as his max in order to exceed the typical max of an NBA player with his amount of experience. If he had taken a paycut previously, he wouldn't be eligible for a $20.5M max instead of around $19M. Same with Paul being able to get $18.7 instead of around $16M. Kobe is up to $30M maxes for the same reason.

    And if the Houston pitch is that he can opt out earlier to get his next max contract compared to a 5yr contract in LA, then it behooves him to not take a paycut to come to Houston. Because that damages the max amount of money he can ask for in his next contract by creating a lower starting ceiling due to taking a paycut in this contract.

    Taking a paycut will damage all of their future contract maxes, not just this contract.
     
  20. youngduck

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    bye bye jeremy lin.
     

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