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Steve Kyler: Howard also considering Brooklyn and San Antonio

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. Aleron

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    Isn't the whole reason he's in LA because the Nets have crap of negative value, so Orlando preferred nothing to what they had to offer?

    Why would the lakers value it?
     
  2. Skyhoop

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    So Howard waits for Morey to clear cap space and be able to sign with the Rockets outright. Then he uses walking to the Rockets as leverage to force LA to do a sign-and-trade to Brooklyn? Genius. He finally gets to go to Brooklyn where he always wanted to be, and the Houston Rockets get to change their name to the Houston Leverage.

    He goes from the the 4M metro population of LA to the 8M metro population of NYC, build a legacy as the start of a new franchise in the bright lights Big Apple city that never sleeps, like he wanted from the very beginning. And bypassing the 2M metro population of Houston with its half empty Toyota Center, TV-less CSN land, and oil refineries. Skipping from America's number two media market to the number one media market, and America's number 1 city.

    Brooklyn would still have to clear a ton of salary to be below the apron after getting Howard, so "complex" is an understatement for such a sign-and-trade. But if Brooklyn is wiling to do whatever is necessary to make it happen, and LA gets leveraged by the Houston offer to agree to Howard's sign and trade to Brooklyn, who knows.

    I don't know if I buy it. I think that ship has sailed. Too many moving parts, too much salary for Brooklyn to clear. I still think Houston has a better chance. But if he's stubborn about going to Brooklyn, then it's a stroke of genius to use the Houston offer as leverage to force the Lakers' hand. I just don't think Howard is that smart to think so may steps head in planning to bring about such leverage to achieve a lifelong goal of going to Brooklyn or bust.
     
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Nets are over the cap thus can't participate in sign and trades.
     
  4. Haymitch

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    Revoke thread starting priviledges.
     
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  5. Zoplicone

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    Teams can find ways to make trades work. You can't just look at their salaries on paper and think you've got it all figured out. It didn't seem possible that lakers could sign Steve Nash last year but they did, not that that worked out.

    Having said that San Antonio being an option is absolutely bogus; there is no reason for Howard to pick them over Houston.
     
  6. davidio840

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    I think the only reason he could pick SA is because of the coach. Some guys like a system that has a past of winning.

    P.S - Carl, your threads have been garbage for a while. Take a break and cheer up or start a PatrickPatterson.net website for yourself.
     
  7. GIGO

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If you want to get into the (im)possibility of a Howard-to-Nets, here's Larry Coon from Feb. Nothing has changed. <a href="http://t.co/bqjRfn0N1e" title="http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=9">cbafaq.com/blog/?p=9</a></p>&mdash; NetsDaily.com (@NetsDaily) <a href="https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/345189612169351169">June 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  8. Sadat X

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    Isn't Pop about to retire? I guess it really wouldn't matter because they have a better chance at winning the WCF again next year more than us.

    This just made things interesting. Freakin Dwight and his indecisiveness :rolleyes:
     
  9. finsraider

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    Listing the Nets as a possibility AT ALL destroys his credibility. They have $84 million in committed salary for next year, and ALL of their players are overpaid.The only pick they have is their own (#22), so they have no sweeteners to help them offload any salary.
     
  10. Zoplicone

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    I'm not sure how these things work, so just asking
    Wouldn't a Brooke Lopez and Humphries for Howard make the scenario close to working.
    Humphries is expiring and LA would still have space for next summer even with Lopez whom they would definitely rather have than letting Dwight go for nothing.
    Brooklyn in the end would give up anyone besides Williams to get Dwight.
     
  11. Skyhoop

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    No, Brooklyn needs to clear enough salary so that they'd be below the apron after taking on Dwight. Otherwise, Brooklyn isn't allowed to take Dwight in a sign and trade. It's theoretically possible, but very "complicated." They'd have to unload contracts to teams around the league to bring down their team salary. They'd have to use up draft picks and positive assets to entice teams to take on some of the under-performing big salary pieces.
     
  12. megastahr

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    Honestly? I wouldn't...not now.

    I think most players view Lin with upside. He could be another parker they both had similar starts to their career...I dont think NBA players that know how it is look at players the way fans do. We have very close minded way of thinking.

    Harden going forward will have a better career then anyone on the spurs.

    Parsons and Leonard maybe of equal comparison...but Parsons is Howards friend.

    So my HONEST opinion looking forward next say 3 years.

    Lin > parker I am banking on parker slowing down and lins upside here.
    Harden > everyone in spurs uniform. (specially if you compare to SGs only)
    Parsons = Leonard (but then slight advantage to parsons for friendship.
    Asik> Splitter (howard said he would like to play with Asik...dont think hes ever mnetioned spiltter.

    I doubt Duncan plays more then 1 more year...if they win this year. I bet he retires.

    Not to mention the youth and potential we have going for us. Bev, D-mo, Terrance Jones, LluLL... lot more upside with our spare parts.

    All of the spurs big 3 are on burrowed time.
     
  13. Skyhoop

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    You can participate in sign and trades if you're over the cap (as a matter of fact, being over the cap is the primary reason to do a sign and trade since a team under the cap can usually just use free cap space and has no reason to pursue a sign and trade). You just can't be over the apron after a sign and trade.
     
  14. Carl Herrera

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    Funny how some people get sensitive at any information that may be considered the least bit negative about the Rockets and start name-calling the messenger.

    Hoopsworld is not ESPN or Yahoo, but we do know that agents likely use guys like Kyler to spread info that they want out there. As to the info itself, why are people shocked and upset to hear that a free agent star player who said he wants to win would be interested in a team that is leading 2-1 in the Finals, has cap room and a long history of success?
     
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  15. xiki

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    Let's assume The Nyets could actually effect the multitudinous amount of deals in order to engage the Lakes in meaningful SnT talks, please help me understand how they would arrive there? Even in the Player-directed NBA it ainta gonna happen.
     
  16. Sanity2disChaos

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    This /\/\/\/\/\ is the reason we get Dwight.....we can do either but the BX canoot.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    Then Dwight would feign interest in a team that can sign him out right (Houston, Dallas, etc...), not a team that would have to sign and trade like SA or Brooklyn. Howard gains no leverage over LA by feigning interest in Brooklyn or SA.
     
  18. JoeBarelyCares

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    If Brooklyn could get an under the cap team to take on the last year of Humphries' contract, would that put the Nets under the apron to be eligible to receive a player in a sign and trade? Presumably the Nets would also have to send out $3 million case plus a future pick to do the salary dump.
     
  19. xiki

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    Just my interpretation: I think the only reason he would not pick SA is because of the coach.
     
  20. TMac'n

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    Better leverage for Howard and especially Fegan to get the best deal $$$$$
     

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