A lot of people say that LOHs hate Lin FANS, not Lin himself. But I mean, how is that reasonable either? Why would HATE be a reasonable emotion to feel over such a thing like this, some people being fans of a player on a message board? It seems absurd to me. Furthermore, if the reason they hate Lin Fans is that their mental image of them is of being "clueless asians", then that is still racism even if they aren't racist against Lin specifically. I think this is true of some people, even though not all Lin fans are asian. "Oh Lin is ok, he's a cool asian because he's good at basketball. It's those dumb LOF asians that I HATE."
Which free agent PG was available after dragic left for the suns and before lin signed with the rockets? anyone know? sessions? would any of those PG have produced 3rd most wins on a playoff team, behind harden and asik? i really don't know but i assume it would've had to be a pretty good starting PG to do that. would be interesting to see who was available at that time (for 8mil or under), and how they would've done on the rockets this year. people forget that it was slim pickings at the PG spot last summer, if i remember correctly. the things is, DM didn't let go of KL and dragic just so he can sign lin. KL left, and so did dragic. and lin wasn't exactly 'available' since he was a restricted free agent. meaning the knick still had the last word. if DM had structured his contract to be 8, 8, and 8, someone else would be playing PG for the rockets right now and it would've been someone from that pool of free agent PG's from last summer. Restricted free agent RARELY come at a good value - most are actually overpaid. Asik is an exception and kudos to DM for that. anyway, considering rockets' situation at PG last summer and what was available, i think they did pretty good at 8mil with lin.
Really the question was did Lin contribute, and I agree with the OP that Lin was a big contributor to getting us to the playoffs. Not the main contributor, that would be Harden. Dragic and Lowery's stats from the past season was not any better than Lin so I don't know why you need to make it seem like Lin was so bad. I mean Dragic's team has the worst record in the West and Lowery also wasn't that great either for his team. Lin as the Knicks starter had just a good of stats that Dragic had. Lin playing with a team of young and inexperience teammates was able to help get us to the playoffs. We were like the 6th seed in the harder Western conference, until like the last week of the regular season.
It's hard to have conversations when people keep labeling others especially people who recently signed up. I agree with you that it's really confusing how much hate Lin does get. I mean him playing on the youngest and least experience team and we made it to the playoffs and were like the 6th seed until the last week or so of the regular season. And Harden got traded to the team just right before the start of the season without any training camp. I understand Morey/Rockets wanting to go after super stars, but it would be nice if they would try to keep this group together to develop more chemistry and learn how to play together. This past season had a lot of fun games.
Well assuming that Goran Dragic was no longer going to re-sign, there wasn't really any big names left besides maybe Aaron Brooks, who ended up coming back to Houston anyways. The rest off that list includes Jerryd Bayless, Jordan Farmar, and Ramon Sessions. Veterans include Kirk Hinrich and Delonte West. Probably not for $8 mill, but as a wildcard, Delonte West would have been a interesting pickup. Too bad he's too much of a headcase, otherwise several teams would still be interested in him and he would still be in the NBA. Here's that full list: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/6/20/3094650/analyzing-the-2012-free-agents-point-guards
Thing is Dragic wanted to sign and we should have given him the option. At least dragic wouldn't miss the playoffs because of a bruise. They make toilet paper tougher and worth more than Lin.
Right, because you suffered the exact same injury as Lin and play professional basketball so can compare. Thanks for your meaningful insight. If anything, I blame him for playing at ALL after the injury. He tried and just made it (both the injury and our team) worse because he was not able/ready. I think he wanted to make up for his season-ending injury w/ the Knicks last yr. And Dragic wanted a 4th yr player option. Morey did not want to give a non-star player a 4th yr option, for good reason. It is a good policy. Lots of players 'want' to sign if you give in to their every whim. Hopefully our GM is smarter than that and knows when not to make stupid deals. Morey is one of the best at that -- rarely makes mistakes, and when he does, he can 'fix' it pretty quickly. Other organizations have not been so fortunate...
Going from a proven leader (Lowry) and proven talent (Dragic) to Lin is a downgrade currently no matter which way you cut it. Lowry was actually doing pretty good before he got hurt and I still don't understand people talk about the Sun's wins like it actually means something. They are not a good team. I consider their best player a tie between Scola, Beasley, and Gortat. You do honestly think that is a playoffs team with Dragic? I honestly don't. I still consider Lin a downgrade considering what we have. Did he contribute? Yes. Did he fulfill his role? Yes. Is he essential to the team moving forth? Not at all. The only "essentials" are Parsons (value for contract) and Harden (star). Everyone else, including Lin and Asik, are expendable.
You're comparing apples to apples. Lin/Lowry/Dragic are not that different, they're all 2nd tier PG's. You're not going to win a bunch more games with one over the other. Lowry disappeared and didn't fair so well after they acquired Gay (besides all the other crap that happened on that team). Dragic was up and down until Gentry got fired, and then they started running the ball through him. You're a rockets fan, you should know why we didn't see Linsanity this past season, and you shouldn't expect it moving forward either. His role and usage is completely (night and day) different here than it was in NY. Just so you know, Morey said that every player was expendable except for Harden.
^^^ | | | This. Oh, and could someone kindly please quote those tables of points and percentages again? (Those cool color-coded ones which do a fairly decent job of illustrating how Lin has been a mediocre player at best lately). See, I didn't get a good enough look at them the first five times they were quoted.
excellent post. repped. If I could, I would have kept Dragic, in reality I thought dragic and lowry would work. But lin won me over, there really isn't much that seperates all three except for experience. I always give Maury credit for acquiring players with similar attributes. Those who think lin won't improve are smoking the same crack as those who think he is the greatest point guard in the nba's history. The kid has game and just has to polish it. But a lot of the dorks that post in game threads easily turn on their own players, even harden.
Lin's ranks among all Point Guards in terms of Assists Per Turnovers: 2012-13 Regular Season: 2.11 Assists Per Turnovers, ranked 41/50 among all Point Guards 2012-13 Postseason: 1.00 Assists Per Turnovers, ranked 39/49 among all Point Guards http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...noverRatio/seasontype/2/position/point-guards ... There is room for improvement in his game, to be sure. Let's hope he can step it up!
question? any team that trades for lin will assume the 5/5/15 for their cap right? houston we all know is 8.3/8.3/8.3, but if we traded lin, the other team will not have the 8.3/8.3/8.3 right? during free agency, the knicks and bulls didn't re-sign those guys due to poison pill last year's deal, but how does the poison pill work if lin or asik gets traded? i've been hearing that the team that trades for either one of them assumes 8.3/8.3 against their cap, but others say it will be 5/15? which is it?
This question will never die. If we trade them, no matter what team we trade them to, the cap hit and payments made are the same as they would be for the Rockets.
