Thank you. Don't understand why people keep stating this. Even if you're were thinking in terms of a sweetener for the team taking on Lin and Asik, how much more would you need to sweeten those two on their current deals???
July can't come fast enough. I hope we get him the first week of the month so I can celebrate on the long weekend.
So let's say Dwight chooses to sign with us and the Lakers don't agree on a S&T deal, then right after the signing, CP3 decides to join as well but the Clippers doesn't want to do a S&T. How can Morey possibly make it work? Would trading/dumping Lin and Asik to other teams be enough to make room for a CP3 contract?
Close. Just moving those two would put us at $16.7 million available. If we could dump White's $1.7 million expiring deal into either of the two trades (and we easily could with Asik, I think), then suddenly you're at $18.4 million, which is right where we need to be.
Actually, White's K would most likely already have to be dealt with earlier if we were to sign Dwight. Just moving TRob isn't enough. We'd either have to move White or waive and stretch him (assuming Howard will take a very, very small paycut).
I don't see a senecio where a team just takes Lin for nothing. Not happening with a team like the Lakers or Clippers. They'd want Parsons and Morey would have to give in since they need te sign and trade. Unless Morey can find teams with capspace willing to take on Lin's contract for nothing and I don't see a team that needs Lin as a starting point guard.
In that case, you could substitute DMo or Jones in place of White in the second deal. I understand that TRob alone might not be quite enough for Dwight's max, depending on the final figure, but it'd put us close enough that it would effectively be done.
It isn't a huge paycut, but it is a decently sized one. Much better threads in the GARM about this (more detailed), but a rough approximation shows that w/ 9 players, we would have only about $20.8 left to offer Dwight. This is before taking into account 2-3 roster cap holds of $490k each. I am unsure if we have to factor the 3rd one into the cap in calculating how much we can offer Dwight, even though he'd obviously fill up that last spot. If not, then our max would be ~$19.8M. If it must be factored in, we can only offer $19.3M. Those are both decently significant drops. Not picking up the option on GSmith would save us about $400k only, which in the former scenario might be enough, but probably not in the latter. If we waive and stretch White, however, his roster charge + stretched amount would total around $1M, shaving $700k off our cap this upcoming season. That puts us as $20.5M for Dwight (in the first scenario). No one knows how much money D12 or CP3 would be willing to shave off a contract, if any at all. IF they both were willing to shave 8-10% off, we could easily fit both on our team while keeping Harden, Parsons, TJones, DMo, White (unwaived), Bev and GSmith, w/ change left over.
I just don't see Lin's deal as that prohibitive. He's a 24-year-old starter (14/6) at a premium position and has clear upside. He's also a marketing machine. He's younger than Goran Dragic and had better numbers, and Dragic got $34 million over four years. If Lin were a free agent this summer, I absolutely think he'd get a richer deal than $16.5 million over two years. Lin would be an upgrade at PG for Detroit. He'd fit in Milwaukee, with the likelihood that Jennings walks. Atlanta if they think Teague is too pricey. Orlando if they don't pick Trey Burke. Perhaps Philadelphia, who has Holiday but nothing else in the backcourt. There are definitely options.
Well, of course it's unlikely! Getting just one of them is already unlikely. Getting both is very unlikely. Yes, it's complicated. A lot of things would have to go right. It probably won't work out. But, why do you sound like you wouldn't even bother trying? There's not much harm in trying. To my mind, it hurts more to not try than to try. You have the 2 week window for negotiations to get Paul and Howard on board with the idea. If they're on board in principle, you're halfway there. If they are not, drop it and sign one of them (probably Howard) on the first day.
What a young team like this needs more than anything is consistency. Why is Morey always trying to overhaul the lineup every single year instead of just adding complementary pieces around this young, overachieving core of players who already have great chemistry together?
That's very wishful thinking. Asik is easy to move because his salary is great base on productivity an lake of good centers. Lin's salary make him average based on production. You can get Lin's production from a lot PG's now. The league is flooded with Good Point guards. It will take more to convince a team to take Lin.
Because Morey and most others know if we only add complementary pieces we would not be a championship contender.
There are a lot of teams with a lot of cap room available. It's a players market this year with a limited FA class beyond the big fish. Considering that, and considering Morey is pretty creative in trades and finding the right trading partners, I am pretty confident Morey could move Lin to create cap space if the Rockets knew for sure they could get CP3 into the fold.
We'll see, but I'd be surprised if there are no takers. PG is a premium position, and Lin is already starter-quality and still has upside. Dragic got $34 million/4 years last year and was older and even less proven. Nash got $27 million/3 years and the guy is basically a corpse. Add to that the corporate angles, and I'd be very surprised if Lin didn't get a bite at $16 million over two years. Keep in mind that several of the franchises I listed are the types that really struggle to attract free-agent talent because they're not destinations. To get a guy like Lin at 24 years old and on a reasonable contract... if you have cap room, it's worth the risk. Same reason it was for the Rockets last summer. Then how did Dragic, whose numbers were worse than Lin's a year ago and only marginally better this year, land a deal more than double what Lin has remaining? The answer is upside. Sure, if you looked at Lin exclusively on 2012-13, you can find other PGs that give you a similar breakdown. But are they 24 years old? Is the contractual commitment to get one of them only two years? Would they be willing to sign in, say, Milwaukee? Given Lin's age and his flashes of a high peak, he's a guy I'd love for my team to go after, if they were in Milwaukee's shoes. High potential upside without much of a downside (contract is neither big nor long). Risk worth taking.
ok question, may be a dumb one but oh well, would we have to clear the whole 38 mil before we sign both of them? or could we sign them and figure out who to send where after? also, if we did have to send parsons as "sweetener" i am totally against signing paul. just get Howard and keep Lin and Asik. that being said i think the lakers would be incredibly stupid to not take Lin and Asik for D12. if they did then we could sign paul out right
