Numbers make me cry and make me do a 'deer in headlights' look, but if your conclusions are correct, thanks for the post. Nice to see that he's generally about as consistent as anyone else on the team. Post all star break, I think Lin did avg. 15-16 pts a game already.
Oh, see this comment a lot, sounds really reasonable. we are not asking too much, it referred that JLin is not even meet the lowered standard. Let's look at Lin's this season numbers to last season's number: Season FG% 3P% FT% 2011-12 0.446 0.32 0.798 2012-13 0.441 0.339 0.785 they are pretty much the same. If you further drill down, Season at rim 3P% 2011-12 0.52 0.32 2012-13 0.637 0.339 JLin improved his FG% at rim a good 11%. And got the same 3P shooting. So his shooting was comparable to his NY numbers, what changed? Well, he's shot composition has changed, he shot much less midrange and his 3P shot occupy 29% of his FGA this season, yet his last season only 19% of FGA is 3P. Also he don't have ball in his hands now. His 3pt was only 58% assisted in 2011-2012 season, that number jumped to 83% this year. Yeah, he is a spot up shooter now, what do you expect. Another change is that per 36min, his field goal attempt dropped from 14.7 to 12.2. He also has much less FTA, much lower usage rate. Another big change is that, in last season, JLin's Assist% was 41%, that dropped to 29% this season, yet it is still the highest in the team. Assist% estimate the % FG was assisted by the player while he is on court. This big drop reflect that JLin is not THE point guard anymore, he is only A point guard. Anyway, when discussing about JLin's production, a lot of people just complain that he is not consistent, he is not shooting well, and conveniently ignored that he has to play out of his position, out of his game, and yet expect him to deliver. It is so laughable that people keep saying that we don't need him to be linsanity, he don't need to be the main scorer, we just need him to pass and be a PG. Yet, he was not get to play PG all the time, and what he was asked was exactly what he did in Linsanity, that is score a bunch, however, he need to score without ball in his hand, and without being the main offense focus, basically as a spot up shooter. A lot of people saying that JLin need to learn to play off ball, cut more, (basically he need to be another Parsons, play off ball, shot 3s, and cut and move). However, it takes two person to play off ball, a cutter, and a passer. Look at the Rocket team, who pass the most to the at rim assist? JLin. The second, J.Harden. These two assist the whole teams' around 70% of FG at rim. And compare to Harden, JLin have higher percentage of his assist goes to the rim. So JLin could not assist to himself when he play off ball. When ball in Harden's hand, as a wing player, you simply don't cut, you don't want to rush into paint and clog Harden's drive way. That's why J. Harden's at rim assist are mostly to our bigs like Asik and Smith. Most Harden's assist to Parsons are 3Pt, and JLin give more at rim assist than 3pts to Parsons. So, untill Parsons improve his ball handling and passing capabilities, JLin would have limitations play off ball. Of course, another way to improve that is have more play set, it is much easier to assist when you know where your teammate are heading, but if we keep running this read and react style, pretty much anyone on the team would perform better than JLin to play off the ball. Simply JLin is most effective in spot the cutter and deliver the ball at the right time and at the right angle. (or we could hope JHarden to improve his court vision, and convert to a PG). Parsons benefit to play with JLin and JHarden, because he is benefit from two good play maker and passer. Without a strong playmaker or passer to support him, JLin could never become another Parsons.
Those are two contributing factors of many. There also those that outright hate him no mater why but they do. Some of those hate him because he is Asian. Some hate him because he is not black. Some hate him because he is a Christian Some hate him because he is a goody two shoes. Some hate him because he makes more money than they believe he deserves. Some hate he is not the guy they wanted. They loved Lowry or Dragic . Some hate him because he is against gay marriage. Some hate him because too many others love him.
Jeremy Lin and Serious discussion can not physically co exist on clutch fans. that's the Newton's 4th law of physics.
As a caveat, I'm a fan of Jeremy and hope he remains with the team for a long time (despite his legion of fans making the GARM a misery far to often), and I realize it is now the off-season, so perhaps folks are bored, although I sure as Hell am not, but aren't there, oh, about a bazillion Jeremy Lin threads that essentially say exactly what the OP says, and a heck of a lot more? For pages and pages? And pages? My point being, why is this thread here? A simple search could have found countless threads where the OP's "point" could have been made.
Its more a case of "Would you rather Lowry or Harden?" With Dragic I'm just meh. He wanted his player option, and Morey has done more then enough to validate the way he goes about things. He went back to PHX even after they gave up on him. blergh
Thread is completely pointless. You didn't have an inquiry but rather wanted to vent. You could have done in in the 100 other Lin threads. Nothing good will come out of this
Honestly, the reason I started the thread, is b/c I was not sure if people were responding to those threads with pure subjectivity. I am not sure whether members in the GARM were being serious about accusing him of how 'dismal' he was during the season. I wanted to gauge an honest opinion from members whose join date is prior to the summer of 2012. It's a mixed response, and I'm relieved to see people understand that he did contribute, but has a helluva lot of work to do to be worth his salary.
Thread is pointless because I haven't really seen that much negative flack from the LOH or objective fans in months(mostly because the topic of conversation is driven by another fan polorizing player who you wouldn't believe actually ISN'T even a Rockets yet, and might never be). Im not sure why we needed to try and prove anything about how Jeremy Lin was "actually" good last year. Yeah... we get it... people have been arguing about this since the beginning of time. If I NEED TO state my backing(or lack-thereof) here it is- I've been critical of Lin's play, but at the same token I want to see him succeed here in Houston, and continue to improve. Even though Morey and most objective long-time Rockets fans will say that he actually is better than one might think, that doesn't mean those same people can't also say he has miles of improvement he need to obtain this offseason. I do think he can get there sooner rather than later though. There is no more room for LOF vs LOH threads in the GARM. So lets try to be a little more creative please.
I've said this many times, but since you seem sincere in your approach I'll respond accordingly. People don't hate Lin here for the most part. Of course there are going be a few idiotic racists but that applies for every player. The issue is the influx of LOF's that have essentially ruined this part of the forum. It causes others to lash out in ways they probably typically wouldn't. As Rockets fans, everyone here wants Lin to succeed. Now, I'm not sold on him as a starting pg personally, but I think he's our starting pg for the next couple of years, so it is what it is in those regards. I do think he could be an effective 6th man but I don't think Beverley is a starter either. I want to see the team upgrade PF first and then PG next.
Thanks for the quality post. I'd be repping you if I could. Seeing some numbers behind these arguments is nice -- learned something new today. Just for that, good thread
people feel like he was overpaid. You saw the same thing with kelvin cato folks getting mad calling him 'overpaid' which cato was. The jury is still out on whether lin was overpaid or not. People feel that his linsanity run was an anomaly. people see beverly killing it and him on the bench. People see lin come in and then we lose the game. He's asian so there is an element of racism although I dont think the racism is any different then when I first saw chandler parsons and said to myself 'white scrub' and I am white btw
How many times has that happened? Rarely if I can remember. Also as someone already mentioned he is actually thought of being a worse player than a good player based on the comments on this board.
Lin and Asik is the 3rd and 4th options after Harden and Parsons. They can't take the shots they like the most. It's must be inconsistent. Other teams are the same cases.
