It may not have been Martin at all. He may have signed off on it, but I could see it being the writers making the change to heighten the emotional impact of the Red Wedding even more. Jeyne isn't at the wedding in the books. To have Talisa there, pregnant Robb's heir, that they just named "Ned", it just takes a horrible event and makes it that much worse. Especially with the way she was stabbed in the stomach. I just saw it as a way to make the RW even bloodier since a lot of the other people that were killed in the books were minor characters whom a TV audience doesn't know or remember (Smalljon Umber, Wendel Manderley). Talisa gave them a 3rd character that they could be emotionally attached to besides Robb and Cat. I think it's that moreso than GRRM putting to bed theories about Jeyne.
Yeah he gave them those for in case he dies before he finishes the series. I don't think they would start putting out episodes with stuff that hasn't happened in the books yet though. Still a few years off of having to worry about these things, but maybe he will work a bit faster now that there is a huge following with expecations. I just hope that if it does, then it wont effect the quality of his work.
I'm a glutton for punishment. I just watched it on HBOGo at work again and that scene still brings tears to my ears the way Catelyn wails at the end.
then you wouldn't get to read the book. that's what people who don't want the show spoiled for us should be rooting for.
GRRM had a tough time with books 4 and 5 because he wrote so damned much for book 4. He needed to split it into two books but doing so proved to be a great challenge. And that was complicated even more by the way he tells the story, using a handful of POV characters. Ultimately, he split up the POV characters. So some appear in book 4 but not book 5 and vice versa. Book 4 and the beginning of book 5 happen at the same time and I'm sure they'll show it on screen that way, taking from both books at the same time. Then eventually everything gets caught up and the story continues moving forward later in book 5. This is the main reason it took so long to release the last two books. I'm confident that GRRM has a clearer view of the finish line now with these two final books and that those problems from the last 2 books won't crop up again. I anticipate the last book being done 5 or 6 years from now. As for the show, I think that they can get at least 3 seasons from the last part of book 3 plus books 4 and 5. Book 6 should be out by then which they could get 2 seasons from (Books 6 and 7 are anticipated to be 1,500 pages each, the longest in the series). So that would put the show taking at least 5 more years (though I'm sure they could stretch it to 6, if not 7) to get to the end of the yet to be released book 6 which should be around the time book 7 should be ready. It's close but it's doable, and I think they can stretch things if need be. These next couple of seasons will give us a better indication of how much time they plan on devoting to books 4 and 5. In hindsight, they could've spent more time on books 1 or 2, similar to what they're doing with book 3.
since it is a discussion revolving around Talisa it has a lot to do with the TV show. Complain somewhere else.
Yes, looks like you've read into these things as well. I have wondered about his hewing to the 1,500 page book thing for "The Winds of Winter" and "A Dream of Spring". I'd advise him, hell with it, you were gonna start out as a trilogy anyway. Don't worry about seven books now. Go for nine books. The last four can be 750 pages each. He might get the material out faster (despite those "where do I arrange this?" type delays) and give us all something to look forward to. Publisher would split the 1,500 pages anyway (even though many of us get the stuff electronically now).
Never seen The Shield, but luckily I have Amazon Prime, and it looks like for Prime members they have the entire series free to stream. I'll check it out.
I'm looking for new shows to watch especially since Game is ending and Breaking Bad is in its last season. I currently watch those 2 and Boardwalk Empire, Sons of Anarachy. Tried Borgias, but lost interest midway in 2nd season. Watched the full season of Vikings, its okay. I'm on the last episode of season 1 of The Wire which is good so far but its taken me years to watch them all. For some reason i dont really care for cop dramas. The shield. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons but dont care to finish it. So im gonna finally just watch The Wire all the way through. Thats 1. I have never heard of Six Feet Under, so ill watch a few episodes. Anything else?
better take this to the recommended tv shows thread before somebody gets touchy and goes off on us for flooding the thrones thread with this. the shield gets significantly better as you get deeper and deeper into it. i'd pick that back up. i'm always hesitant to recommend 6 ft under to people because it doesn't have extremely broad appeal, but see if you like it. Homeland is pretty good, but GoT makes it look like community theater. dexter has gotten progressively worse, the walking dead is entertaining in the same way a popcorn action flick is, and mad men, though i watch it, is rather overrated. all one man's opinion, of course. that's all it got.
Good read...long...but good. A little Alanis Morissette humor in the title? "It's Like 'Rains' on Your Red Wedding Day" http://www.grantland.com/blog/holly...-episode-9-its-like-rains-on-your-wedding-day
It seems to me, in restrospect, that they are using the Jamie Lanister transformation, where he looses his cynicism when he loses his hand, as a way to come up with his hand, to rebalance the sympathetic/unsympathetic equation among characters that aren't totally ineffectual. And I'm not sure, but they may be doing the same with The Hound. Though the only characters I'm sure that I'm rooting for are Tyrion and Danny. I likw Ayria, too, but she oretty much exists at the whim of everyone around her. They are trying to make us like Fatty Crow, but I pray he is eaten by white walkers every time I see him. I'm guessing, though, that they think he is similar to the book's target audience.
Nah. Even if some geeky book readers do resemble Sam, they don't read fantasy to be reminded of themselves in an accurate light. They want to put themselves in the shoes of Frodo, an overmatched protagonist who somehow remarkably triumphs in the end. They don't want to be a fat coward who's bad at everything and gets teased a lot. He's not totally inept. He's intelligent and he did manage to kill a white walker, but he's not portrayed in a positive light very often.
Kind of unrelated but if any of you have played the Total War game series, people have made a mod for medieval total war II that takes place in Westeros and you can be any of the major houses and either claim kingship for yourself or ally with any of the other houses to help them. It's pretty fun and pretty well done too.
They also have a Game of Thrones mod for Crusader Kings II. Awesome game. I haven't played the mod (just the vanilla game) but my brother has, and he loves it.
