Spoiler eat stale brownbread and die dude...it's going to be a heavy theme in the next few seasons. many a prominent character falls victim to a late night snack attack. brace yourself. there's gonna be a LOT of dysentery-related deaths and lots of diarrhea scenes. don't want to tell you who finally finds the antidote but, three words: talking scientist direwolves.
Why can't they do 10 episodes for the first half of then year, then another 10 (another season) in the latter half?
I don't really follow what goes on behind the scenes so I wouldn't know. I just know that sometimes TV series or a movie adaptation can **** all over it's source material. I worried when I saw Talisa at first, then as it went on realized they were going to go through with it. If I knew that GRRM has to okay these things then I would have never doubted as well. I do think they lost some viewers last night. Even GRRM said he understands his world may be too dark for some and understands that there is a crowd out there that wants to escape and grew up on Disney movies or whatever. For those folks they read and watch stories because they want to be uplifted and to this point the only one they really lost was Ned...and he was the 'Mentor' type character that always dies so that his heir could live on and make things right! In the Disney movies like Lion King even, Mufasa dies but Simba makes things right. So many examples of this too haha, GRRM was really playing off that well to shock everyone. People are so used to seeing that. I do think they would have lost probably more though if they changed that though. Since it's so huge and would change the story so much that they may as well call it something else afterwards
Spoiler Did Rob's wife get kill during the Red Wedding in the book like the show? Read it 10 yrs ago so I can't recall her being in it. That part shock the hell out of me because I can't recall that she die that way.
Me too. Great song. And I'm not normally one to cry over TV shows, but I was just weeping throughout that whole sequence. And then after I finished I watched the ending another ten times in a row or so while pacing around my apartment trying to get ahold of myself. Six Feet Under is without a doubt one of my favorite shows ever... perhaps only Breaking Bad matches it for me, although they're very different shows.
Just watched it with my wife. Been wanting to jump in this thread all day today but held out. All I can say is God Damn. I read the book and it pretty much satisfied everything I wanted from that scene. I knew it was coming and it still affected me. Holy crap. My wife, surprisingly, handled it pretty well. I guess because she had been pissed at both Robb and Catelyn for their decisions.
For me there would be no "may" about it. I definitely would not have watched after that. There would have been f-ing riots from everyone who loved the books, because Martin's penchant for killing people off is a big reason why a lot of people like it -- there's no unkillable Frodo, so the tension gets raised across the board. I know exactly how you feel. Although I'm a book-reader, so you might have thought I'd feel a stronger connection to the characters because I in some sense know them better already. But the core problem is that there are just too many characters who need screen time. And the problem is made worse by episodes where they've indulged the insane desire to cover every character group there is, which always makes the whole thing fall flat. At least this episode was a bit more focused in that sense -- there was no King's Landing at all, and no Jaime-Brienne. The show would be better if every episode resolutely ignored all but a few character groups. That's been my one big complaint. EDIT: btw, I liked Martin's answer to people who are genuinely angry and upset about the Red Wedding: I think that's all very true. Fiction does tend to bolster the idea that the good guys ultimately win. It's kind of an opiate of the masses that way. But I think that the world in general is becoming more and more interested in stories where that isn't the case. I have a theory as to why that is, but I won't get into it now.
Yep, that's what I'm saying. I think certain people will just stop watching, it's just not their thing. They were holding onto to that moment where Robb gets his revenge, the Starks reunite, and everything is good. It could have that affect though where it brings in people who otherwise weren't watching. It's like that Darth Vader moment. Something that becomes so entrenched in pop culture where it's something that every one must see. Spoiler No, she wasn't at the wedding and did not get killed.
I have no emotional connection to Robb, but I did with Catelyn. Her death was the one that was tormenting, plus Talisa. Even though I didn't have a connection with her, having her stabbed in the baby belly to death was pretty gut wrenching. Catelyn has been a pivotal character since the beginning episodes. She's been such a strong character with good emotional scenes as well as scenes of good wisdom. Not to mention the scene where she calls on the bannermen to seize Tyrion is one of the best scenes in the show. She's been my favorite character on the show.
This may actually be more of a spoiler for book readers. How important is Jane Westerling going forward in the books? Is she pregnant? Stuff like that. Since Talisa is dead and her unborne baby was killed I think it puts to rest any possibility that Jane could re-appear in the books at any point. Maybe this is nothing more than speculation but it seems kind of obvious to me. Note to non-book readers: This is not a spoiler as Jane Westerling is not and will not be in the series. She was replaced by Talisa who is now dead (as we all witnessed). So please don't get emotional. Nothing resembling a spoiler in this post.
Spoiler I think what gave this whole thing that extra holy-crap feeling was the victim (I guess I should say victims) we weren't expecting. When Talisa showed up at the wedding, I thought, Well, if she isn't a spy, then she's gone, too, and TV Robb's even stupider than Book Robb. But the way Talisa died, just brutal. I'm not really complaining, although, permitting me a shallow aside, I'll miss her hotness. But that was gonna be missed anyway, character alive or dead. I do sincerely hope---and I don't KNOW this, obviously---is that one day Bran can warg a dragon to scorch the f*** out of the Lannisters. We need some serious Stark payback.
I think Martin wanted to squash any theories that Jeyne was carrying Robb's child and his son could eventually come back as his heir. The show would have never has Talisa killed if Martin wanted to do this.
As someone said below they would run out of material. There are still 2 books left to come out, he is currently working on book 6, not sure on his progress. But, it was an 11 year span in which it took him to write book 4 and book 5. The TV show is more than likely to catch the books before book 7 is finished so I don't know what will happen then. This is why season 3 and 4 are covering material from the same book, just split into parts. They want to make sure they don't catch up and left standing around.
I just hope Martin lives to finish the series...Although from what I've heard from people who've read the books is that the show has changed a lot of it and for the better...so hopefully HBO has good writers to maybe finish the series if Martin passes. This episode was the best one so far. The biggest shock of the series was when Ned Stark's head got chopped off, this is a close second. Great episode.
