I don't think we know that GZ should be guilty of manslaughter. He may well be, and that case would probably easier to make than the murder charge he faces. But either way I don't think we know anything for certain.
We know for a fact that an armed GZ ignored the dispatcher's instructions and pursued TM. We know for a fact that TM died after being shot by GZ. I'm curious why you don't think it would be considered manslaughter. Grow up.
the case isn't as simple as this happened so this must be the reason. If GZ was attacked and feared for his life, he has the right to defend himself, considering he had wounds to his head. TM might be scrawny, but you don't think he was in shape and can fight, considering he followed MMA and how he discussed his fights in the evidence recently leaked? A young in shape 17 y/o or an overweight older man?
At least you acknowledged the law and what happened, instead of blindly incriminating GZ without knowing all the evidence. Only reason I said it was not illegal because you mention him ignoring the suggestion of the dispatcher would hold up in court. Let's all look at the evidence and the witnesses that were there and then make up our decision. There are some ridiculous irrational thoughts in here. I'm not here to defend a murderer, but the guy could go to jail for the rest of his life, so lets know all the evidence first to make an educational image to what really happened.
The entire reason they make that suggestion is so you don't have some hot shot vigilante with a gun permit take matters into their own hands. Zimmerman apparently missed that part of his neighborhood watch training.
When I was a kid, I followed WWF. Not once did I ever try to body slam anybody. I watch baseball now and wouldn't ever have anybody claim I can hit a fastball. The fact that he followed MMA is dispositive of absolutely nothing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Someone else mentioned it wouldn't hold up in court. I think it could hold up as testimony to possibly show that GZ was wreckless, dangerous or something like that which Martin's lawyer may use. It wouldn't hold up in court as if it were a crime or automatically makes what Zimmerman did illegal. I have no idea what happened. I think very early on I was leaning towards Zimmerman being guilty, but almost instantly I realized there were too many contradicting and uncertain testimonies to make sure of that from what we knew. So until we see the trial I don't think anyone able to be fair would say it's known what happened. I want to see the witnesses who made the statements face a thorough examination in court.
I think it could be manslaughter. But if Martin ambushed Zimmerman then it wouldn't be. We just don't know. I'd rather see all of the facts examined in court before rushing to a judgment.
well Zimmerman's defense already released some evidence regarding how TM was suspended in school for fighting, how his GF asking why he's always fighting, and him discussing a fight he had through text. I think that warrants him following MMA and fighting is warranted in this case. GZ did in fact have wounds and supposely TM didn't besides the obvious fatal shot. But like I said, we need this to go to trial and see all the evidence. In fact GZ might have been a lunatic and initiate things and shot the kid, but before locking a guy up for life, lets get all the evidence.
Zimmerman states otherwise. He stated he was not following Zimmerman and he was ambushed. So no, we don't know the facts after the call ended. Quit pretending otherwise. I was merely pointing out that Martin was not weak and innocent as you would like to assume. Does this offend you?
I'm not pretending anything. Everything I stated is indeed a known fact. Not at all, but it was in extremely poor taste. Also, I never said he was innocent. I said he was scrawny, and that's not an assumption. Didn't you see his picture?
But Martin's past experiences don't really say anything about what happened that night. Just like the fact that Zimmerman had a restraining order against him, run in's with the police concerning supposed violence on his part don't show that Zimmerman was someone who would be out starting violent confrontations that night.
I just said that in response to someone saying TM was scrawny and like he coouldn't beat up a grown man.
He was scrawny. Are you seriously trying to say otherwise? But to hear you describe him, you'd think he was a super-fit fighting machine.
what correlation does being scrawny and being athletic and fit have? he was obviously fit enough and fought regularly as he mentioned in his text, he went 3 rounds with another guy, where he said he took 2 out of 3 rounds.
Rounds? Seriously, rounds? LOL. That means they're just pushing each other around or throwing a weak punch and running away. That's play-fighting. How did they know when one round ended and another one began? Did someone yell "time-out!!" and they went for a water break? In any case, who cares if he got into fights with high school peers who probably had a similar build? That doesn't mean he knows how to fight nor does it make him a "fighter". And similarly, just b/c he watched MMA doesn't mean that he actually knows how to use it. It's not exactly something you can learn by watching.
he was rumored to had some training which we'll probably know when the case starts, but this argument is dumb as hell. He has the capability to severely hurt a grown man, and maybe have the man fear for his life, especially if he got him from behind. You saw the wounds GZ had so I don't even know what you're arguing about. Rounds as in 3 minutes fight like in the MMA I'm assuming. And I never seen a MMA fight with just pushing and weak punches. Sounds like you're just assuming things because he's scrawny, he can't hurt a man. Here is another picture of TM, can't hurt a grown man right?
Scrawny? Sometime back... more than a year ago... I posted that Trayvon is almost exactly the size of NBA guard Brandon Jennings who holds his own in a big man's game: 6' 1" and about 170 LBS as I recall. GZ described him to the dispatcher as in his "late teens." We can fault both of these guys by saying "why didn't they just do something else" but that will get us nowhere. They both could have done things that could have avoided this tragedy.
Actually if you paid attention to any of the facts you'd know Zimmerman told 9/11 that the guy was a teenager. In fact, you'd also know that once Martin started running away thats when Zimmerman got out of his car and started walking. At that point the dispatcher asks him if he's following Martin and he says yes. You are literally ignorant of the facts you're disputing. How convenient for you.
