Well, I don't take your word for it. So if you can't back your claim, then I will assume your claims are without basis. Laziness is not an excuse.
Since I have already linked the evidence I cited in this very thread, it isn't my laziness that's at issue. You've posted one of the worst articles I've read, and don't really seem worth discussing the issue with. I will discuss it though. But since I've already linked the articles, and posted them in this very thread the claims have basis. They were debated plenty back when they were first posted. What you do, believe or don't believe is up to you. Assuming my claims are without basis is silly when they've all been linked in this thread that you don't want to go back and look up. That's fine, but again it's ridiculous to act like it's my laziness because I won't do your work for you. If you want a discussion you'll have to try a little harder than that.
Well, since nobody is usually home during a robbery, how would they know? I know there's been lots of cases where burglars go around pretending to sell stuff, solicit, etc. so they can learn the times when people are home, case houses worth robbing, etc.
What about the next article I posted which said the prosecution tried to hide the very things the first article posted. There is a very real reason he tried to hide and delete evidence. It discredits the idea that TM is some kind of saint and GZ was looking for a fight.
Wasn't this like 7:30 in the evening. It was after dark. Just go to a front door with a porchlight on (most burglars want to avoid being seen) and preferrably one with activity in it. Ring the doorbell and ask someone to call the police. My point was that Trayvon should have done something to put himself in the company of others so he could be safe.
Now giddy will explain how a teen being followed in the dark would not be afraid whatsoever. Proceed giddy. This should be good.
I can tell you from personal experience, people rarely open the door for unexpected visitors after dark. I agree they both should have avoided a confrontation, but a lot of what you're saying is just weird/off-base/impractical.
You got it wrong. I think he was afraid... but I also think he was confrontational. Why not go knock on a door and ask for help. He didn't do that. It might have saved his life.
It's "weird/off-base/impractical" to ask for help? If they don't want to let you in, Knock on the door. Stand in the full porchlight and ask the homeowner to call the police because someone is following you... Trying to get a drop on your pursuer is a much better idea....
Why not call 9/11? We all know how the popo rush to help black kids in trouble. Giddy, we don't blame alleged rape victims but we blame alleged murder victims? How does that work in giddy land?
Just because Martin had previous violent tendencies is not dispositive at all of what happened in this particular instance. There is a reason most courts disallow these types of things from being introduced as evidence. It does not tell anybody anything about the case at hand. The bottom line here is that none of this would have happened if Zimmerman had done as e dispatcher had instructed. Instead, he decided to go all NYPD Blue and take care of it himself. If you are being followed by a stranger, at what point do you have the right to defend yourself from a perceived threat? He caused the entire incident by his reckless and macho actions. As a result, he shot and killed an unarmed man. Zimmerman deserves a date with Old Sparky, but it will not happen.
Ref we don't agree on a lot but you've made some great posts in this weird ass thread the last couple of days.
He wasn't instructed to do anything. He wasn't told to stay in his car. He wasn't told to stay put or go home. The operator left an open ended response to his suggested action. Regardless, an operator would never suggest someone to tail a suspect, so the point is moot. I really don't understand your point. You find that Martins current ongoing aggressive and violent nature irrelevant to the incident, but you automatically assume that Zimmerman was looking for a fight. Not only that, you are suggesting Zimmerman should be executed. Put yourself in your shoes. If your neighborhood was constantly being burglarized and the police were slow to respond, do you really find it irrational for someone to keep an eye on the suspect? Yes, I understand you believe Zimmerman was trying to take the law into his own hands just as others think Martin was a violent punk, but all of that is subjective. It was only a matter of time before someone truly innocent was hurt due to all of the crime in the neighborhood.
Obviously evidence that TM is a less than reputable character might influence a jury. If the prosecution tried to hide anything that might be why.
He was instructed he didn't need to do that which is easily inferred as stop following the person. Perhaps if the dispatcher had known Zimmerman was rejected from the police academy, had a restraining order on him previously, was an aggressive wanna be crime fighting neighborhood watchman, and was armed with a loaded weapon he would have told him flat out to stop. He didn't "keep an eye" on the kid, he actively followed him resulting in a confrontation he didn't walk away from. I love the wordplay you have there. If it was his neighborhood which he patrolled as a watchman how come he didn't know the street name? Oh because he's a liar, yep.
That too! It's much more important to keep chatting up your girlfriend.... Martin could have done some things more smartly that would have saved his life. If you see that as "blaming," so be it. I think he was ready to rumble. Had some homeowner called 911 and said "There's some black kid on my doorstep claiming that someone is following him and he feels threatened. Can you get here as quickly as possible?".... I bet you would have seen a very quick response. Remember, this was a highly-burgled neighborhood. You guys make such a big deal about the age difference. I'm sure that the 6' 1" fit Martin saw the short, chubby guy as someone to beast on. If Zimmerman's pa had "covered up" this would not have happened. Same thing for Martin's pa. Shall we go back another generation?
