Kobe vs Duncan debate

Kobe leads Duncan in career Rape cases.

 

Examples of Kobe dunking on Tim Duncan makes him better?

So is Jordan Crawford also better than Lebron?

 

If you want a great dunker, you should pick vince Carter as your idol. What does dunking over people has anything to do with being a better player?

Do you really believe that building a team around Kobe is better than building around Duncan? Really?

 

I still dont get how that was supposed ta be a retort to my "Kobe leads Duncan in career Rape cases" post that he quoted. Lame.

 

At least for Laker fans it is, right? Lol

 

2005 was pretty questionable, IMO.

 

Yea, back to back in 94-95 so did I, whats yo point?

 

Great is well, a Kobe fan, so I do have to pity him, but what exactly is his argument? Kobe > Duncan because 5>4 and the Lakers had a better stretch at the end of the decade?

 

By that point, Duncan was past his prime.

Yep, Kobe has more titles than Duncan. He's also had significantly superior teammates, especially Shaq, who is the main reason Kobe was able to get his first 3 titles.

You have to give players time to gel with each other. Shaq and Hardaway reached the finals their 2nd year together. Shaq and Jones/Van Exel only played 2 seasons together before they were traded.

Shaq/Kobe got to the finals in their 4th year together.

Sorry, but it's true. Prime Kobe failed to get the Lakers to the playoffs, and he'll be criticized for it....especially when he's compared to Lebron, who regularly led the lowly Cavs to one of the best records in the league.

During that time span, Duncan's lowest PER Was 21.9 (2011). In 2010 and 2012, Kobe's PER was 21.9. Basically, if you're trying to argue that Duncan hasn't been on the best players in the league during those 2 years, then you're inadvertently arguing the same thing about Kobe.

 

Are you butt hurt that your team got swept by the Spurs?

 

It's cute how defensive Kobe fans get over their hero's legacy. Funny that they've given up on the LeBron debate.

If Kobe were truly a transcendent player they wouldn't need to mount such impassioned defenses.

 

Lol whoopty s**t, you wanna cookie for that?

And if youre such a Laker fan/Kobe dykrider, why you on a Rockets message board?

 

Then how did Duncan manage to lead SA in scoring in the 2007 regular season and playoffs?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html

The above, which I changed (bolded), is just as true.

No he hasn't. Duncan was dominant from day 1 and remained that way until 2 seasons ago. He is dominant again this season. Kobe was not dominant from day 1 and was not as dominate as Duncan until his 5th season in the league. So if we can't say Duncan from 2008 to 2012 (even though he made All NBA teams from 08-10) then we surely can't say so for Kobe from 1997 to 2000. And Kobe actually didn't make a All NBA 1st team, something Duncan made his rookie season, until his 6th season.

Laker logic. :grin:

 

I have a lot of respect for Kobe, but there's no way in hell he's a better player than TD. Plus, TD actually shows leadership and gets his team to follow their coach's no-nonsense approach, I haven't seen any franchise player willingly do that, most have egos the size of the NBA arena.

 

The main thing here is that the comparison fails because their positions and roles are so totally different. The best thing to say about Duncan is that he has managed to become the best power forward of all time during an era when the rules are slanted away from the inside game, and in favor of the perimeter game.

For Kobe, he's one of the three or four best two guards of all time, but he's done it during a time when all the rules have been bent in favor of wing play.

If I had to pick one to start a franchise with, it would be Duncan. That's as much for his ability to get along with his teammates, and his apparent loyalty to a small market, as it is for his on the court play. But I tend to prefer a rebounder, defensive presence, who can also score.