So you buy into the idea that if someone had been in a fight or used drugs they deserve to be killed?
I believe someone that is being attacked and is in fear for their lives has every right to defend themselves even up to using a gun.
It shows the character of the person who is said to be the attacker because the attacker is not alive to testify.
Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence BY KYLE HIGHTOWER ASSOCIATED PRESS ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday. Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over. Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken. White said he wasn't surprised of possible evidence violations by Zimmerman prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda. "I was saddened by it, but I'm not surprised," he said. White first learned about the evidence through Kruidbos more than a month ago, he said. Phone and email messages left at the office of Fourth Judicial Circuit State Attorney Angela Corey were not immediately returned. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in 17-year-old Martin's killing and has pleaded not guilty, saying he acted in self-defense. Circuit Judge Debra Nelson has denied a defense motion to delay the trial, which scheduled to begin on June 10. White led the Nassau County state attorney's office before resigning in December, citing differences of opinion with Corey. He is now in private practice. White said the photos Kruidbos retrieved were of a hand holding a gun and one depicted drugs. The content of the text messages wasn't specified. "I'm an officer of the court and I'm obliged to inform the court of any misconduct or any potential misconduct coming before the court. Whether it's by the defense or prosecution," White said. The defense released photos of a gun, mar1juana plant and Martin's text messages publicly, saying that if prosecutors planned to paint Zimmerman as the aggressor and Martin as the innocent bystander, they wanted the information to defend him. Attorneys won't be able to mention the teen's drug use, suspension from school and past fighting during opening statements at the trial, Nelson ruled Tuesday. Nelson has set a full hearing on the turning over of evidence for next week. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara has previously brought a handful of motions alleging that the state attorney's office had been slow to turn over other evidence. White said his disclosure to the defense isn't sparked by any animosity toward his former employer. "It has to do with the rule of law," White said. "When Mr. Kruidbos testifies next week, it will be his testimony and not my own." O'Mara said Tuesday that he felt compelled to bring this matter to the attention of the judge after a hearing earlier this month in which De la Rionda was emphatic that he'd turned over all evidence related to Martin's cellphone. "(Kruidbos) knew information that nobody else would know about what (the state attorney's office) didn't give us," O'Mara said. "The picture of the gun in the hand, for example, had not been turned over to us. But that had been created back in late January within the state attorney's office. "That inquiry, if in fact it continues and it certainly should, could lead to some very dire consequences for those who made presentations to the judge that were not accurate." O'Mara reported on the defense team's website Wednesday that Zimmerman's defense fund had less than $5,000 left. The fund had raised almost $315,000 by January. His attorneys are calculating that Zimmerman needs another $120,000 to put on a good defense, or even another $75,000 to give him a fighting chance.
The character doesn't matter. People who have character flaws still aren't allowed to be murdered. This is about discovering if a murder was committed.
He wasn't murdered if he was the attacker and GZ was defending his own life. He was killed, big difference. The character of TM is a key to understanding if he attacked GZ or not. It's pretty blatant you believe that TM was murdered. It's ok if you believe that. We shall see if you are right or not.
At the end of the day, there are no winners in this case. A dead kid and maybe a man in prison for a long time is the end result. I say this bc I feel some will be like I told you so when it's all said and done.
How many people in the dark from a distance can tell what someone is doing at a door when their body would be shielding what there hands are doing as well?
What you claim I believe means less than zero. I'll tell you right now that I have a much better idea of what I actually believe than you do. I've been presenting evidence and statements showing that Martin could have been murdered because I'm generally debating against people who've already decided that Martin was an attacker despite not knowing all of the evidence of the case. I wasn't there. I have no idea if Martin was murdered or not. I do know that it's quite possible. Martin's character is not the key. What will determine whether or not Martin attacked Zimmerman is the evidence of that night, not his school record which has nothing to do with what happened that night whether Martin was the initiator of the confrontation or not. If you want to claim I believe something, then go ahead and do it. But just understand that you saying it is no reflection of reality at all.
You asked me, and I actually referenced it again even though I've cited it directly earlier in the thread. I mentioned witness testimony, cell phone records etc. All of that is evidence. You can continue to ignore it, or not. If you're unclear you can go back and read, do a search, or whatever you'd like. Like I said you can keep claiming I believe something just as long as you know that it's silly for you to claim you know something of my beliefs in the case when I've stated something different.
You can not make that assumption. Just because I have had no recorded issues doesn't mean I will never. Just like the Tsarnaev's, by all accounts they were normal people and on the other hand you hear of athletes with tons of problems that can turn it around. Martin could have been a straight A student or a complete thug and the same instance could have happened. The only evidence you are bringing can not even be used and even if it was it wouldn't be beyond a reasonable doubt.
I've linked to it and quoted it in this thread previously. I'm not going to do it again. If you don't want to take my word for it, then read the other pages in the thread. It's long and boring which is why I'm not going back to do it again. So I won't blame you if you don't go back and read. You can search for it on here maybe or elsewhere on the internet. It would be different if I'd never linked it and reported it, but I have.
