i guess you know more about it from a pacers standpoint... they seem to get the better deals around, so maybe taking on a contract like Lee is more fair or having them send picks out... my thing is what is pierces trade value? everyone is gonna lowball because they see its a firesale... i dont know how high they are on avery but considerring they lost rondo maybe they wanna keep him around... Lee is a good substitute for avery and helps the C's lose a bloated contract... maybe memphis wants to see granger play a bit first, but is there a better return for gay out there? i dont think so... his value is hard to determine but granger helps them now and in the future... its the best return i see them getting... indiana would prolly have to send a 1st to boston now after talking to you and thinking about it... but hell if its lotto protected and can give away thier pick this year your talking about a 18-20 pick... not something to die over or stop this from happening... im not GM and maybe im off but this seems like a perfect trade for everyone involved and cant see who says no... ^ thus meaning it wont happen if its logical, considerring the nba is illogical when trades happen...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bfp38dw ^ after this first trade from earlier ^ they do the following trade http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bxpbyfc Boston out - rondo/sullinger Boston in - anderson/rivers/vasquez/NOH top7 protected 1st NOH out - anderson/rivers/vasquez/1st(top 7 protected) NOH in - rondo/sullinger New orleans gains a top in hopes he heals from surgery to build with a solid potential filled core of rondo/gordon/davis... that has some serious potential to be a contender if rondo heals up right... a starting 5 of rondo gordon ?(aminu for now) sully davis is a legit playoff lineup with potential to grow and add a piece to push over the top... now where it puts boston... yes they move rondo and blow-up the second big 3... this is my theory of how they should blowup thier team... i dont see garnett dropping his clause and instead i see him retiring... but its a new younger solid core and sets the groundwork for ainge to rebuild and retool... he gains some assets and youth... vasquez/gay/anderson doesnt scream contender, but along with avery/fab/rivers/picks they have trades to make a run at the next set of players to fall thru the cracks...
Ive been thinking about this Tor/Chicago Boozer for Bargnani trade rumor we keep hearing about, and I think there might be more to the story here. Here is a trade scenario I think makes perfect sense for all teams both on the court, and financially- http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=afq9kah Toronto Out- Bargnani, Kleiza Toronto In- Boozer, Jamison Chicago Out- Boozer, Hamilton Chicago In- Gasol, Ebanks Lakers Out- Gasol, Jamison, Ebanks Lakers In- Bargnani, Hamilton, Kleiza ..................................................................................................... Why Toronto does this- They get inside scoring and some added toughness with Boozer, and by also moving out Kleiza, they actually save money slightly (300K) in the 2013/14 season. This would be a much more balanced team, with alot of good weapons. I think this would be a solid move for Toronto to make- PG: Lowry, Lucas III SG: Derozan, Ross, Anderson Sf: Gay, Fields, Acy PF: Boozer, Johnson, Jamison C: Valanciunas, Gray, Haddadi Thats not a very bad team guys especially in the East. .................................................................................................... Why Chicago does this- Financially, this is the one move that would be tough to swallow NEXT year. However, its really not THAT BAD all things considering if you look at it a little bit closer. It looks Chicago would be about 3 million over the lux tax next season. So, this move could cost their owner another 6 million or so in lux tax payments above their payroll, but here is why its worth it- Chicago would be a clear contender in the East for the 2013/14 season and for years afterwards if they could hold onto Gasol. I absolutely believe they would be a nightmare for every other playoff team in the East. Even this season with Gasol coming back sometime around the start of the playoffs, and Rose most likely rounding into form around then as well, they could even make a run this year. Gasol would be a perfect fit playing off of this bunch with his inside scoring, and passing out of the post make him an ideal fit PF in a playoff style half court game. Folks in Chicago would be out of their mind to at least not entertain this move- PG: Rose, Robinson, Teague SG: Hinrich, Bellineli, Cook SF: Deng, Butler, Radmanovic, Ebanks PF: Gasol, Gibson C: Noah, Mohammed When healthy next season, and possibly as early as the playoffs this year.... this is a legit team that can really be a matchup nightmare for the Heat & the rest of the East for the next 2 to 5 years. ....................................................................................................... Why LA does this- Gasol is toast in LA, and Bargnani would be a better & cheaper fit as well. He adds needed floor spacing and 3 point shooting from the PF position, and he fits in very well with a D'Antoni style of play. Added depth with Hamilton, & Kleiza would be a smart move as well. They have so few good solid veteran players now coming off the bench getting just a couple would do wonders for this team. From a financial standpoint, if they release Hamilton in the Summer, they will be wiping about 4 million off of their payroll next season as well with this move, and thats before the lux tax implication. Just a good move any way you look at it for the Lakers. Gasol is going to be out for another 6 weeks at least so they really need to make something happen now. This is a good deal for them. PG: Nash, Blake, Duhon SG: Kobe, Hamilton, Meeks, Morris SF: World Peace, Kleiza PF: Bargnani, Clark C: Howard, Sacre, Hill With a little push here at the all-star break they could give the 6th to 8th seed teams a run for their money, and actually make the playoffs. If D'Antoni gets this offense firing on all cylinders the last few weeks of the season, they also could do some damage in the playoffs. So..... Who really says no here?
I like it... I think Chicago would say no because they are trying to get under the luxury tax and Gasol doesn't help...
Yeah, I noted that this might be the one sticking point, but when you look at it, you aren't looking at much more than 3 mil or so this year, and 6 mil next season. After that, Gasol is off the books when with Boozer, he has another additional year after next season when the lux tax is really going to be punitive, Rose/Gibsons salaries start to balloon, and they will need to re-sign Deng as well. We aren't talking about insane tax money or anything here this year and next for the payoff of being a legit contender. There also has to be other moves they could make this Summer to move Kirk Hinrich for a draft pick or possibly moving Deng for a less expensive SF. I just think this makes them WAYYY too good if Rose and Gasol are both healthy AND they still have companions in Noah, Gibson, Deng, etc. I think that team could give Miami a run for their money with the balance of their offense and defensive prowess. This is a very, very good team next year when right now as is even with a healthy Rose, they are still at best a 50 win team who doesn't have enough offensive firepower to beat the Heat in the playoffs. This move makes them a true contender IMO.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Y! Sources: Phoenix Suns pursuing a deal for New York Knicks guard Iman Shumpert. <a href="http://t.co/5LaYDqku" title="http://tinyurl.com/b8tusbm">tinyurl.com/b8tusbm</a></p>— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/300404452047867904">February 10, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Hopefully I embed'd this right... I know rumors are rumors, but I always trust anything Woj puts out.
not sure if it would really happen though... btw, one of the comments on the article: "No way, the kid is still growing, he will be a force, next week he will be over eight feet tall, unless he gets his hair cut." - The Legman .
Anybody listen to Stephen A. on First Take today? He was going on and on about his rumor mill. He was basically saying package KG and PP for Blake Griffin. Celtics go completely rebuild mode, let Doc Rivers go. He goes to Clippers too. He mentioned a trade something like this + Doc. (FAILED) http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d4eyd2g
Clippers would have to be r****ded to do that trade. I understand people don't like Blake but seriously?
Haha Stephen A is so dumb. Even if that was close to working out salary wise, I don't see the Clips doing it AT ALL.
I was actually thinking about that. The Kings, 76ers, and Suns (other possible candidates) don't have anything to offer Indiana. If Milwaukee wasn't in the Pacer's division, I'd list them. Not really much the cats could offer though. Maybe sessions? They can't/won't/shouldn't trade picks, and their only other players on the team are ben gordon, kemba walker (untouchable), mkg (untouchable), biyombo (possibly untouchable), and tyrus thomas (overpaid trash).
How about we trade our former 6 man of the year James Harden for the former MVP Derrick Rose? Morey likes to buy low and sell high and this is about as close to a classic example as there is Derrick was THE top player a few years back Get er done Morey!
Pacers. at this point, there's no urgency to trade him. if he's fully healthy to start the season and on his way to a new huge deal, and a good offer comes along, i could see a trade. but as it is, he's injured so his value is low. his next deal could be small-ish as well. and the Pacers' biggest need is a scorer off the bench.
makes no sense. i could definitely see them trading anything besides CP3 and Blake for KG/Pierce. And add a bunch of picks too.
Impact draft trade scenarios Spoiler While the Spurs wait to find out who will survive the Eastern Conference finals and face San Antonio for the NBA championship, 27 teams are already fully immersed in their plans for 2013-14. That will begin with the draft on June 27, though there are usually a handful of moves made in the days leading up to that night. This year, with the draft board offering seemingly more depth than star power, it will be interesting to see how that affects the draft trade market. Will teams at the top of the draft try to trade down to add an additional pick or a veteran? Will teams further along in their development try to move into position to target players who fill specific rotation holes? The uncertainty begins at the top, where the Cleveland Cavaliers are open for business when it comes to the draft's top pick. With that in mind, here are three trade scenarios that could make everybody happy. I did this last year, and the teams didn't listen to any of my proposals. Probably for the best, though I still like that Bulls-Kings scenario, which would have left the Bulls with an Omer Asik-Andre Drummond center combo. And the Grizzlies did eventually deal Rudy Gay for a lower-usage small forward, so you never know. Note that in each of these scenarios, smaller pieces may need to be added to make the deals work under the cap. I've listed the main pieces for the framework of each proposal. 1. The Cleveland Cavaliers trade Anderson Varejao and the Nos. 19 and 31 picks to the Chicago Bulls for Luol Deng and Marquis Teague. If Cleveland is going to make a push to bring LeBron James back to Ohio during the summer of 2014, that process begins on draft night as the Cavaliers craft their roster for 2013-14. Part of that is going to involve adding a veteran to the rotation while young players Kyrie Irving, Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller are all playing on their rookie contracts. Once some or all of those contracts are extended in a few years, the cap wiggle room will get tight. Varejao had an excellent rapport with James when they played together before, but he's superfluous at this point. Thompson showed signs of becoming a younger and more athletic version of Varejao, though they don't really play the same position. However, Cleveland has Zeller around to man the middle, with top draft pick Nerlens Noel getting a full development year behind him once he's able to play. Teague gives Cleveland a much-needed backup for Irving. Also, let's not forget how James has thrived while primarily playing the 4 in Miami this season. There is no reason whatsoever he and Deng couldn't play together in a small, quick starting lineup or even as the wings in a big lineup. From the Bulls' standpoint, the deal accomplishes a couple of things. They would save about $5 million in the difference between the salaries of Deng and Varejao. Chicago could subsequently use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer a year earlier than expected, creating a beastly defensive big-man rotation of Joakim Noah, Varejao and Taj Gibson. That trio would make a nice eventual complement to European sharpshooter Nikola Mirotic, whom Chicago is expected to bring stateside in 2014. Jimmy Butler moves into Deng's spot, which he occupied so well during this season's playoffs. After buying out Richard Hamilton, the Bulls would be able to retain Nate Robinson and Marco Belinelli, and would have draft picks at Nos. 19, 20 and 31 to fill out the roster. Varejao has a partially-guaranteed season remaining on his contract for 2014-15, which could be the deal-breaker. That's if Gar Forman and John Paxson are really planning to swing for the fences and go after a max-type player in 2014. Even as it is, the Bulls would have to do some serious cap tap dancing to make that happen. To proactively move Deng rather than wait for his contract to expire after this season makes sense. 2. The Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 1 overall pick, Dion Waiters and Tyler Zeller to the Sacramento Kings for DeMarcus Cousins. Let's say the new regime taking over the Kings decides that in order to turn the page from the Maloof years, it has to begin by moving on from the Cousins-Tyreke Evans years. Evans will be a restricted free agent, and that is a separate issue. Cousins is entering the last year of his rookie deal, making him eligible for an extension in October. If the Kings are ready to pull the plug on the talented but undisciplined center, then no team could offer a package of young assets more attractive than what Cavaliers general manager Chris Grant could send their way. And doing so would likely further strengthen Cleveland's position when it comes to re-signing James. Chad Ford also mentions this possibility in his NBA draft blog entry today, including several juicy rumors. If Cleveland pulls off both trades in these scenarios, then it'd be left with a 2013-14 lineup of Irving, Cousins, Thompson, Deng and a 3-and-defensive wing to be named. Beyond that, Cleveland would still have nothing but team options and Alonzo Gee's $3 million player option on the books for 2014-15. Deng's cap hold and a possible extension for Cousins might mean that Grant has to move some pieces around to make room for a max deal for James, but it could be done and the foundation in place would be superior to anything the King had to work with in his first stint with the Cavaliers. Besides, even if the James plan is a pipedream, an Irving-Cousins-Thompson-Deng core is a really nice starting point for a team on the rise, especially since Deng could likely be retained with an average annual salary much lower than his current $13-14 million level. 3. The New Orleans Pelicans trade the No. 6 pick and Greivis Vasquez to the Boston Celtics for Rajon Rondo. If Danny Ainge is ready to hit the reset button in Boston, it's going to have to start with gathering young pieces while he gets his long-term payroll in order. Vasquez was one of the league's most improved players and offers a pretty fair amount of the same kind of production the Celtics have gotten from Rondo over the years. Plus, he's cheap and the lottery pick could be cashed in on a much-needed big man or shooting guard. Boston also owns the No. 16 pick. Given that the Celtics were competitive without Rondo, this deal works even if Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett end up back in Boston for another run, and it gets the Celtics under the tax line. For the Pelicans, the idea is to accelerate the development of a very nice young roster. Rondo, Anthony Davis, a hopefully healthy Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson and Robin Lopez is an excellent foundation. Meanwhile, Austin Rivers could be developed as a sixth man. Like Cleveland, the time for New Orleans to add veteran pieces is coming sooner than you think. Gordon is already locked up with an eight-figure per year deal, and Davis will be getting one before you know it.
