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Does Harden have a chance of becoming GOAT Rocket?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by omgTHEpotential, May 28, 2013.

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  1. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Member

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    James Harden is much closer to Steve Francis trajectory than to a top 5-15 player to ever play the game who has multiple championship rings.

    So, chance is very minimal to highly unlikely to probably won't happen.

    (Still, just possibly)

    Harden can MAYBE get the kind of Kobe Bryant "Greatest Laker" label. but for the Rockets.

    There's better PLAYERS than Kobe arguably with the Lakers, but he has more legacy than them to get in the discussion.
     
    #61 Shroopy2, May 28, 2013
  2. BasketballReasons

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    Hakeem is one of the GOAT's of all time.

    Duncan isn't even the greatest at his position.
     
    #62 BasketballReasons, May 28, 2013
  3. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Chance? Sure. Will it happen? Probably not. I would say it's less than a 5% chance he's the GOAT Rockets player. We would have to see some big wins come out of him. Lots of titles too...
     
    #63 Pizza_Da_Hut, May 28, 2013
  4. rimrocker

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    No. Not in my mind anyway. There is one Dream.
     
    #64 rimrocker, May 28, 2013
  5. Shroopy2

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    Simple stat, for those who consider PER valid.

    Rockets single seasons at age 23, PER ranking. Harden at #3, very solid. Hakeem predictably #1

    http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per
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    [LIST, FORGET THE FORMATTING. More than 1000 minutes played]

Rk 	Player 	Season 	Age 	Tm 	Lg 	G 	GS 	MP 	FG 	FGA 	3P 	3PA 	FT 	FTA 	ORB 	DRB 	TRB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TOV 	PF 	PTS 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	PER
1 	Hakeem Olajuwon*1985-86 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	68 	68 	2467 	625 	1188 	0 	0 	347 	538 	333 	448 	781 	137 	134 	231 	195 	271 	1597 	.526 		.645 	24.2
2 	Moses Malone* 	1978-79 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 		3390 	716 	1325 			599 	811 	587 	857 	1444 	147 	79 	119 	326 	223 	2031 	.540 		.739 	23.7
3 	James Harden 	2012-13 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	78 	78 	2985 	585 	1337 	179 	486 	674 	792 	62 	317 	379 	455 	142 	38 	295 	178 	2023 	.438 	.368 	.851 	23.0
4 	Yao Ming 	2003-04 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 	82 	2692 	535 	1025 	0 	2 	361 	446 	197 	538 	735 	122 	22 	156 	204 	273 	1431 	.522 	.000 	.809 	21.9
5 	Steve Francis 	2000-01 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	80 	79 	3194 	550 	1219 	133 	336 	358 	438 	190 	363 	553 	517 	141 	31 	265 	274 	1591 	.451 	.396 	.817 	21.6
6 	Ralph Sampson* 	1983-84 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 	82 	2693 	716 	1369 	1 	4 	287 	434 	293 	620 	913 	163 	70 	197 	294 	339 	1720 	.523 	.250 	.661 	20.1
7 	Elvin Hayes* 	1968-69 	23 	SDR 	NBA 	82 		3695 	930 	2082 			467 	746 			1406 	113 				266 	2327 	.447 		.626 	18.9
8 	Calvin Murphy* 	1971-72 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 		2538 	571 	1255 			349 	392 			258 	393 				298 	1491 	.455 		.890 	18.1
9 	Kevin Kunnert 	1974-75 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	75 		1801 	346 	676 			116 	169 	214 	417 	631 	108 	34 	84 		223 	808 	.512 		.686 	17.7
10 	John Block 	1967-68 	23 	SDR 	NBA 	52 		1805 	366 	865 			316 	394 			571 	71 				189 	1048 	.423 		.802 	17.1
11 	Rudy Tomjanovich1971-72 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	78 		2689 	500 	1010 			172 	238 			923 	117 				193 	1172 	.495 		.723 	16.6
12 	Kyle Lowry 	2009-10 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	68 	0 	1651 	184 	464 	37 	136 	215 	260 	91 	156 	247 	305 	60 	9 	116 	173 	620 	.397 	.272 	.827 	15.5
13 	Rodney McCray 	1984-85 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 	82 	3001 	476 	890 	0 	6 	231 	313 	201 	338 	539 	355 	90 	75 	178 	215 	1183 	.535 	.000 	.738 	15.5
14 	Patrick Patterson2012-13 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	47 	38 	1219 	236 	455 	35 	96 	37 	49 	73 	148 	221 	51 	18 	27 	42 	90 	544 	.519 	.365 	.755 	15.5
15 	John Lucas 	1976-77 	23 	HOU 	NBA 	82 		2531 	388 	814 			135 	171 	55 	164 	219 	463 	125 	19 		174 	911 	.477 		.789 	15.0
    So Harden can put up STATS with the Rockets greats. Can possibly become best 2 guard after Kobe and D-Wade in a couple years, if not NEXT year.

    But that doesnt mean he's gonna get the TRULY PRIZED hardware. And can he keep it up 15 years? I only put a sprinkle of hope in it simply because its my team that I WANT to do well. But just not seeing the Dream's spot being taken. We should be eternally grateful for opportunity in having him.
     
    #65 Shroopy2, May 28, 2013
  6. CometsWin

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    He's going to have to beat out Jeremy Lin first. Unpossible.
     
    #66 CometsWin, May 28, 2013
  7. Ekiu

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    He would have to wins 5 rings and play another 15 years with Houston to get the title of "Greatest Rocket" but Hakeem appears far and away the much better player.

    sort of whats going on with Kobe. Kobe is not better than Wilt, KAJ, or Magic, but he is considered the greatest Laker now just cause of the longevity and people live in the present.
     
    #67 Ekiu, May 28, 2013
  8. RickyNewport

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    Dream is one of the greatest centers of all time and he won a championship with a bunch of role players. Duncan has never done that and neither has Shaq _ that settles that debate...
     
    #68 RickyNewport, May 28, 2013
  9. Pieman2005

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    Read my post again. Sheesh. or I'll spell it out for you.

    Duncan averaged 25 ppg ONCE. Hakeem averaged OVER 25ppg (26-27 to be exact) 4 times.

    Timmy never averaged 3 blocks per game, Hakeem did 9 times. Hakeem's averaged for his career was 3.1 blocks per game and Duncan never averaged 3 once.

    Tim Duncan never averaged 1 steal per game. Hakeem averaged 1.7 for his career.. only one season did he NOT average at least 1 steal.
     
    #69 Pieman2005, May 28, 2013
  10. Rockets590

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    Nothing wrong for suggesting this. He has accomplished alot only at the age of 23. If he works hard and adds more moves to his game and becomes a reliable defender he might be able to. But this is up to him.
     
    #70 Rockets590, May 28, 2013
  11. Francis3422

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    Harden needs to give us 7 or 8 years of 26/5/5 with at least 2 rings and 2 mvps to be in the conversation. God knows he will never win the Defensive MVP.
     
    #71 Francis3422, May 28, 2013
  12. daywalker02

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    more like LINpossible
     
    #72 daywalker02, May 28, 2013
  13. Dr of Dunk

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    Harden's PER last year with the Rockets doesn't qualify among the top 20 Rockets PER seasons all-time (a list dominated by Hakeem). I know you've used the "age of 23" constraint in your query, but just sayin' ...
     
    #73 Dr of Dunk, May 28, 2013
  14. RedRedemption

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    He also wasn't panned to be as good as he was in college.
    James is still young. Who knows maybe he'll have a godly late growth spurt and become the next Jordan.
     
    #74 RedRedemption, May 28, 2013
  15. thesonofsam

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    Win 3 ships. Then, yes.
     
    #75 thesonofsam, May 28, 2013
  16. macalu

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    HAAHHAAAAHHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAAAA...breathe...breathe....
    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAAAA
     
    #76 macalu, May 28, 2013
  17. Jontro

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    Even tinmac would agree that Harden isn't anywhere close to MerGady in his Rockets prime.
     
    #77 Jontro, May 28, 2013
  18. RickyNewport

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    Since 1982 defensive MVP has only been awarded to a guard 5 times (with one guard winning it twice) and the last guard to win it was Gary Payton darn near 20 years ago. Cooper and World Peace have won it but I believe those guys to be small forwards and not guards.

    Centers and Power Forwards usually take home the Defensive MVP because those positions more times than not are the anchor of the defense. Since 1987... Jordan, Payton, and World Peace are the only none centers or PFs to win the award. So is there really a concern for Harden to win defensive MVP...?

    Let's just hope the kid's defense gets better. And ironically his defense was good in the playoffs and his offense was off...
     
    #78 RickyNewport, May 28, 2013
  19. 5KR4TCH

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    I wouldn't put my money on it but I sure hope so. If harden turns out to be the GOAT Rocket when compared to Dream. That mean he is going to be one hell of a basketball player. Wishful thinking and def not a knock at DR34M. Never that.
     
    #79 5KR4TCH, May 28, 2013
  20. VBG

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    Not really. Dream is a top 10 player of all time. Harden is never gonna reach that.
     
    #80 VBG, May 28, 2013
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