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Source: Howard Also Considering Warriors

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SidDaKid, May 23, 2013.

  1. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

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    Wouldn't Dwight have to give up much more money because he won't get tax savings that he would get in Texas?

    Or is that a mute point because it would be a sign and trade??
     
  2. SK34

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    Dwight leaves Lakers... Lakers get first pick.. Lakers select Andrew Wigginss. 2014.. They get Lebron James... game over.
     
  3. peleincubus

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    Nooooooo I can already see it happening :(
     
  4. trowa2

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    i dont think the lakers will have any draft pick any time soon
     
  5. trowa2

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    hmmm... interestingly, they have 2014 draft pick
     
  6. DonatasFanboy

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    Well here's the list of teams / cap space for the next year. Not entirely accurate since it includes some team options that are bound to be picked up. But overall there's a bunch of teams with significant cap space. I doubt all of them are even targeting major free agents.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-team-salary-totals

    Anyway, GSW has a ton to assets. They essentially have 4 future picks + Lee himself should be a valuable asset + a bunch of good youngsters. Not counting smaller pieces. I think Lee himself should be very movable and should land assets in return and / or help unload extra expirings. But regardless, they have more than enough sweeteners - if necessary - to facilitate it. If you disagree, I guess we just disagree.

    In the end, a lot will depend on Dwight. GSW wouldn't do any moves unless they are clearly his top option. And if they are, he can easily make the process smoother by saying no to some of the teams.
    One way or the other, by July 10th all the major free agents typically have agreements on the table. That first domino issue exists in theory but in practice most of them fall by the time you can sign official contracts.
     
  7. DonatasFanboy

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    You are quoting a post where I say that I think Lee has more trade value than cap space for some teams --- and you are asking me if I think Lee has more trade value than cap space for some teams. :cool:
     
  8. bloodwings19

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    No way Warriors get in this sweepstakes. I keep up with sfgate.com because my relatives live around there and I never saw, or read anything about Dwight interest there. I'd be shocked if he goes to a rival of the Lakers, it just doesn't make sense for this move.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Obviously, GSW just clearing cap space isn't going to work. But, I think a sign-and-trade isn't so unreasonable. GS has some promising young players as compensation for the Lakers as they go to rebuilding. Lakers can amnesty Pau or Kobe (!) to reduce some of their luxury tax burden this year. And, LA doesn't have to pick up all the salary that GS sheds if they can find a third team with cap space who are willing to pick up some veterans without sending back much in the way of talent. I'd say the complexity makes it unlikely, but I can see how Howard could think it was possible.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    If we're just putting together hypothetical sign & trades to playoff teams without cap room, why not send him to the Heat for Wade or to Memphis for Marc.
     
  11. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

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    Except 1 has cap room ;)
     
  12. solid

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    I am starting the think that Howard is a little girl in a man's body. Can't decide which Barbe to buy.
     
  13. rocketblood713

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    so most likely for Dwight to go to GSW they would need Howard to ask for a S&T and a 3rd team ?
     
  14. FLASH21

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    Why would LeBron want to go and play for a rebuilding team with a rookie replica of himself at the helm?

    I don't think that would work.
     
  15. JayZ750

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    David Lee gets paid 14, 15 and 15.5 million dollars over the next three years, and arguably the Warriors were better without him playing a prominent role in the playoffs. Granted that was with Bogut's role increasing... but that's the point, a limited Bogut is potentially more valuable.

    I'm not saying he has no value, but at a minimum if the Lakers were to work a deal where they end up with Lee, and the Rockets miss out on Dwight who goes to GS... well, at least the Lakers remain stuck in crapland.

    Lee is a very solid producer who is a 3rd option at best, extremely weak defensively and overpaid in today's NBA. For comparison sake, Harden on a max deal will be making less than Lee for the next 3 years.

    He'll also be 30 next year... by no means ancient, but 2 years older than Dwight.

    I don't see how he is a piece that gets the Lakers excited, and its a stretch to see how even a crappy team with little cap space would get too excited about him. He would help, of course, but not enough to make a meaningful difference w/l wise...
     
  16. dobro1229

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    The problem is the Lakers have very little incentive to do a sign and trade with Golden State unless they are recieving something like a future star player like Klay Thompson in the deal.

    If its a sign and trade with Bogut, Biedrins, and whatever other expiring contracts, LA would MUCH, MUCH rather let Dwight walk as an UFA to Houston or Atlanta to have lux tax savings.

    Also, I think people are downplaying how hard it is for these two over the lux tax paying teams to make this trade where one team gets under the cap FIRST before making the trade. What moves are going to be made prior, etc. Are the Lakers going to amnesty Kobe or Gasol??

    Just way too many difficulties to take place first before the Lakers can even think about entertaining a S&T to get a player like Klay Thompson back for Dwight.
     
  17. The Cat

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    Yes, because the first domino (Dwight) will have already long fallen. The only way the Millsap/Smith/Jefferson negotiations would be known to a hypothetical third team in a Dwight-to-GS deal is if Dwight verbally commits to the Rockets or somewhere else on July 3, then the dominoes fall, then Dwight reneges on his commitment come July 10 and tries to set up a trade to GS. This is an incredibly unlikely scenario, to say the least.

    The first domino issue is very relevant when it comes to the timing of when Dwight will make his decision.
     
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    Klay Thompson is a largely offensive-minded player who posted a PER of 12.7 this year and 10.3 in the playoffs. To me, he's one of the most overrated players in the league -- a glorified chucker with no filter. People love his style because deep threes are sexy, but a closer look shows that substance is severely lacking.

    I don't see Thompson or a couple draft picks in the mid-to-late 20s (no matter how DonatasFanboy wants to spin it, extremely late first round picks are not valuable) being enough to offset the luxury tax hit and other issues (keeping Dwight with an in-state division rival) that would accompany the Lakers sending him to Golden State. I think they'd rather him just walk.
     
  19. dobro1229

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    Yes, and the third team would have to have a ton of cap space to absorb whatever they are getting from Golden State.

    How much cap space-

    Since GS & LAL are over the cap, it would need to be as much as Dwight Howards year 1 salary which I believe will end up being somewhere around 19 million since GS would need to send out AT LEAST that much to a third team.

    So what incentive does the third team have to take on 19 million in salary for the services of Andrew Bogut & salary filler???

    Oh and that third team would need to give assets to LA to entice the Lakers to entertain the trade.

    That third team must REALLY love Andrew Bogut to spend that kind of money & additional assets to get the deal done.
     
  20. BEAT LA

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    According to most reports, he has narrowed it down to two cities la and houston. Do not believe everything you read. There is not one quote from dwight in this article.

    Also, this decision effects the next 5 years of his life. Where he lives, where he works, who he works with, etc. the beaches in la are nice and the lakers do have a winning history. But he wont get any of the credit as kobes side kick and all of the blame if they lose.

    If it is so easy, which team would you quickly decide on?
     

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