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Source: Howard Also Considering Warriors

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SidDaKid, May 23, 2013.

  1. Nook

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    Latest NewsRecent NewsAndrew Bogut (ankle) revealed that the "mental and physical pain" he felt over "the last two or three weeks was getting worse and worse."At this point, it's fair to question whether or not Bogut will ever be able to remain healthy for the duration of a full season. "I managed it every day. Every day was a battle, basically, after April," Bogut said. "Every day I had to come in early to get treatment, just to get it right just enough to get back on the court. My whole playoff campaign was that. Some days it worked and some days it didn't." Bogut did say that he's looking forward to using the offseason to get his "ankle right," but we've heard that from the big man previously. Fantasy owners should monitor Bogut's health closely

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1119/andrew-bogut
     
  2. The Cat

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    Huh? You're contradicting yourself here. Yes, they're going to come pretty early... which is why it won't take "until mid-to-late July and perhaps even later".

    I don't know what specific player would or will go where. That's the whole point; it's the unknown. It doesn't even have to be a signing; it can be a trade from a team whose owner directs it to slash payroll or attempt to get under the cap. Luxury tax rules are forcing teams to cut like never before. There are all sorts of possibilities for a team with cap room, even in a market like Charlotte, and it makes no sense to surrender a substantial chunk of it on July 3 for Andrew Bogut at $15 million.
     
  3. DonatasFanboy

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    It is relevant in the sense that it gives the time for dominoes to fall. I understand the chicken and egg issue but in reality teams can easily talk on multiple fronts during that period, some of the trades they make - like the Johnson trade - can be conditional on certain players signing or not signing. In the end, by July 10 teams generally have a pretty clear picture.

    I think we are simply disagreeing on Lee/Bogut trade value. I think that package would have solid trade value and possibly even land some cheap assets in return. But fine, if it's a disagreement of value, lets be extreme and say the Warriors even have to add something to make it happen, they have a ton of picks and other assets. In the end, there are ~8 teams that could have ~30 mil in cap space next year and very few Lee caliber free agents. If they got a committment from Dwight, I don't think they'd have a huge problem to move Lee and expirings. This isn't like the Wizards having to move Arenas or the Magic having to move Turkoglu.
     
  4. jgreen91

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    I think the warriors is the best place for this cat.
     
  5. jsonic6

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    Dwightmare 2.0. I have a feeling this will not end well for the teams wanting to get his drama ass...
     
  6. DonatasFanboy

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    interesting. i wasn't aware of these recent complications. this makes his value as a player lessen. still, the bottom value floor is a big expiring contract, if the medicals are bad, it's a question of what you have to add.
     
  7. The Cat

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    Golden State has no future picks except for their own (none this year), and if they were to acquire Howard, it would basically guarantee that those future picks would be in the mid-to-late 20s. Historically, those have almost negative value. They're certainly not going to be a significant sweetener.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

    Teams can talk on multiple fronts, sure, but those you're referring to are the ones in contention for the big boys -- as you said, Brooklyn with Deron. If you're Atlanta, you're going to be hard-pressed to get an answer on what Paul Millsap's asking price is if Houston and Dallas tell his agent to hold off until after the Dwight sweepstakes. And it's the Atlanta/Charlotte/Milwaukee tier that would have to take the leap of faith and essentially wave off a large part of their flexibility before the first domino even falls.
     
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    He really must want that key to the city!

    Guy in bottom left of picture is a Warriors fan "hey but we have Barnes!"
     
  9. TJ VS TR

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    This seems like a better source, especially since it was written right after they were eliminated.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_23269775/warriors-andrew-bogut-ready-do-some-healing
     
  10. J.R.

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    Howard is a long shot for Warriors but worth a shot

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    Here are some other obstacles:

    * The Warriors cannot sign Dwight Howard. Their salary for 2013-14 is up over $75 million, which would likely put them into the luxury tax (it was $70.3 million this year). So the Warriors won’t have the space to ink Howard to that max deal – which will be the going rate for Howard. That means the only way Golden State can get him is via sign and trade. Houston, Dallas and Atlanta all have the space to offer Howard the max.

    * New CBA rules limit the amount of money players can receive in a sign and trade. The maximum number of years allowed in a sign-and-trade is 4. The Lakers can offer Dwight the fifth year. He’d make considerably more money staying in Los Angeles. Usually, NBA players don’t pass up on considerably more money

    * A sign-and-trade with the Lakers (which is possible because the Warriors traded Charles Jenkins and Jeremy Tyler to get under the cap) would require the Warriors to return some $20 million worth of salary to the Lakers. Since Los Angeles GM Mitch Kupchak is pretty good at what he does, he probably won’t take Andris Biedrins or Richard Jefferson in return. That means Andrew Bogut or David Lee would have to be involved in the deal. If you’re the Lakers, who would you want?

    If the Lakers took Bogut, that would probably work for the Warriors. It would cost them Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson. But they’d be getting the best center in the NBA. Bogut only has one year left, so he wouldn’t hurt the Lakers long term plans. But you’d have to consider this: why would Bogut sign-and-trade to the Warriors for the same amount of money he could get with Houston? The Warriors would weaken the supporting cast to get Howard. Houston, being under the cap, wouldn’t have to do that. Neither would Atlanta. And Dallas has the ability to sign Howard and another really good player to put with him and Dirk Nowitzki.

    * Dwight Howard has proven to be a polarizing figure who drama seems to follow. A big part of Warriors’ success was chemistry. It seems pretty risky to add that element to the locker room. How will he respond when the Warriors are jacking up 3-pointers instead of dumping the ball to him?

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  12. Aleron

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    dan fegan....lol
     
  13. what

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    Bogut is better than Howard and plus, with Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes both going to get a raise, there is no way I'd invest in Diva Howard. I'd spend money to retain Bogut who is far better in every way than Howard.
     
  14. ooox

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    Time to stop posting now.
     
  15. KingStevo10

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    Andrew Bogut is about to show the world he is on Hakeems level :rolleyes:
     
  16. BEAT LA

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    Let it go.

    He is staying in LA or coming to Houston. Most likely staying in LA.

    Put it like this, the most valuable players in that package are Lee and Bogut. Would you be willing to take one of them straight up for cap space (let alone taking on Biedrins too). That would mean we'd lose a lot of cap flexibility.
     
  17. what

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    you rockets really think you are chasing a superstar in dwight howard, don't you? The only reason you have a chance at dwight is because nobody else really wants him.

    the dude is terrible.
     
  18. Aleron

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    given golden state's salary situation, they'll probably be able to keep bogut for half what howard is earning, which will be very important for a team seeking not to hit the luxury tax.

    if healthy, he's basically dwight lite, a little worse at everything
     
    #118 Aleron, May 23, 2013
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  19. OrangeRowdy95

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    Name an active center who has a more formidable resume (Tim Duncan doesn't count).
     
  20. BEAT LA

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    lol @ what's post

    Let's play this dumbass game while we're at it. He would be stupid not to choose the Heat over the Rockets.

    Be honest, would you take on Bogut or Lee and lose our cap space for this off-season? Bogut is injury prone, and Lee would make you mediocre for the next three years.

    A few of you are terrible. Houston signing Dwight? It's impossible. But GS shedding over half their salary and signing Dwight? Highly likely.
     

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