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[CBS Sports] Howard no lock for Lakers; interested in Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., May 19, 2013.

  1. basketballholic

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    Warriors don't have to clear cap to sign Dwight outright. They can execute a S&T for Dwight. The question is would LA S&T for guys on the Warriors not named Curry/Thompson.
     
  2. megastahr

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    i am retiring for today...having a bad day and its making me act stupid on here.

    anyways my apologies to everyone for arguing over something that I was wrong about...and being an idiot in general. I am going on vacation tomorrow so maybe ill comeback less douchie lol
     
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  3. pwnyxpress

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    Yes. They are at $75.7M, roughly. To even do a SnT with LAL for Dwight, they would have to clear over $22M in the deal (or before it). But of course, this is assuming that they pick up all the options. If Dwight were seriously considering them, they wouldn't.

    Their guaranteed total for next season is only $45M with 7 players. If we pretend the cap went up to $60M but luxury tax stayed at $70M (realistically probably wouldn't), then they have about $15M in cap room to sign Howard. Howard probably won't agree to that severe of a pay cut, if a pay cut at all, so they need to make room to have another $5.5M. Moving Bogut makes the most sense, but he will be TOUGH to move. At $14M, who would take him off their hands, and has the cap room to do so? Very few teams...though he is at least an expiring so it isn't IMPOSSIBLE I guess to trade Bogut for cheap/nothing.

    Only other option is David Lee. Lee is on the books till 2015-16, and makes almost $14M next yr. Again, not sure about the market for Lee, though I think he has much more value than Bogut. Teams that have the room though may not want to blow it on David Lee. In trades, they could move him and only take back say $8-9M though, so it also seems on the table.

    Curry is untouchable I assume. Barnes and Klay also, if not for their youth, talent and favorable contracts, then for the fact that they don't make enough to help you get Dwight (would have to move both AND Ezeli or Green just to make room for Dwight). Don't forget that you have to reach a 12 man roster @ $490k a pop minimums.

    So if GSW can move Bogut or Lee for almost nothing, or very little salary back (have to have money to get like 5 more players to hit 12 man roster after signing Dwight), then I guess Dwight could sign with them.

    I think Dwight would rather just sign with Houston. We could do it much more easily (hope cap goes up enough or just move TRob for a pick -- very doable), and would provide just as good of a supporting cast, imo, with a star that doesn't have ankles made out of glass.
     
  4. J.R.

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    Looks like pwnyxpress just laid it out nicely. (Are you Larry Coon? Haha)

    Coon just said the same, Golden State would have to send out 23.5 million in salary to make the S&T work. (And the apron is going to be at or around 77 million next year)
     
  5. pwnyxpress

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    Haha I wish I had even a 10th of the knowledge about the cba as Bima or Coon do :p

    I do sometimes hope that the firm I will be starting at will pick up a case for the Rockets or the league (has happened before) and give me a reason to really learn the cba while being paid to do so lol!
     
  6. Fyreball

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    The Warriors are just a team that's being thrown out there because they are young and fresh like the Rockets, as well as being located in a favorable area of the country. The more rumors that are being floated out there regarding where Dwight will go, the more it's obvious that he's just going to re-sign with the Lakers.
     
  7. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/mark_t_willard">mark_t_willard</a> @<a href="https://twitter.com/lakersnation">lakersnation</a> I was told specifically that Dwight likes them. That doesn't mean it's feasible Golden State could get him</p>&mdash; Mark Medina (@MarkG_Medina) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/337638909762752512">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Via @<a href="https://twitter.com/larrycoon">larrycoon</a>, Warriors could acquire Dwight if they send at least 23 Million in salary back to Lakers in return.Very feasible.</p>&mdash; Mark Willard (@Mark_T_Willard) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_T_Willard/status/337640497420050432">May 23, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  8. Fyreball

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    It's feasible, but who would the Warriors give up? Obviously Dwight's interest in them is contingent upon the fact that he like certain players on that team. I'm willing to bet if they're forced to give up any combination of Lee, Bogut, or any of the youngsters, his interest might drop.
     
  9. Fullcourt

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    Warriors gave up on the Dwight dream 1.5 years ago when they got Bogut, why would they sell the farm for him now after a great playoff run?
     
  10. pwnyxpress

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    Certainly doable. Question becomes though, who would LAL agree to take back in order to facilitate Dwight not signing up with them but rather with someone else in their division? lol

    No way they want Bogut. As someone else mentioned, Barnes and Lee would get me interested. Don't even have to send out $23M if they don't pick up all their options or rather, get the options picked up. Sadly, since they are ETOs and Player Options, we can probably assume many or most of them WILL be picked up (to GSW's dismay).

    So my earlier post of an outright Dwight signing is nearly impossible only because it would require people like Biedrins, Jefferson Landry and Rush to sort of 'take one for the team,' the team being one they will no longer even be a part of haha...or they can assume their value is higher on the open market.

    With more likely $73M on the books, SnT with LAL is the most feasible option. But GSW aren't that scary if they have to send out both Barnes and Lee to LAL just to make the deal work (assuming Howard even wants to join a team with the remaining players, no Jarrett Jack, and the shaky health of Bogut and Curry).
     
  11. J.R.

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    Edit: Once again, pwnyxpress beating me to the punch and laying it out nicely.

    Lakers would probably ask for Thompson.

    Other big contracts are Jefferson, Biedrins, Lee, Bogut
     
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    Bogut + Ezeli + Jefferson equates to 23 million right there. And bogut expires same time as Gasol does.

    Damn...
     
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    Not true. Willard doesn't know what he's saying. GS could acquire Dwight for as little as Barnes and one of Lee/Bogut. That's enough salary to get the trade done. Now if Landry and Rush both opt in to their $4 million deal (I suspect Rush does but not Landry.), then GS would have to move more salary out to stay under the apron after the trade. But Landry on an expiring $4 million deal would be easy to move.
     
  14. pwnyxpress

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    Sure wish I could edit my earlier post haha. Player options, not team options which I had misread -- so obviously not up to GSW on whether to pick them up or not. Yeah, hard time seeing GSW acquiring Dwight tbh.
     
  15. pwnyxpress

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    Right. It depends who ends up opting in on their player options. For the most part, I do agree that Barnes/Lee would be enough to pique LAL's interest and, save some minor moves, could get the SnT done.

    I just don't think Dwight will want to go to a team that only has Curry, Klay and Bogut left (two of which have scary injury histories). No Jack, Barnes or Lee. Not sure why he would agree to the SnT then.
     
  16. Fyreball

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    Ok, but why would the Lakers do that?
     
  17. vstexas09

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    Honestly, can someone offer some speculation as to why Houston wouldn't be a top choice?

    What do you think he's telling Harden? What's not attractive about coming here?
     
  18. J.R.

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    Ha, now the LA radio folks are asking, "is he using Houston?" (with the Warriors seemingly coming out of nowhere.)

    Trade me to Golden State. Golden State gives you something(Thompson & 2 "bad" contracts) in return or I walk to Houston and you get nothing.
     
  19. cyberx

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    Blah, Dwight is pissed all this stuff got out... Trying to found out who and why they got it.

    He is livid.
     
  20. megastahr

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    they woudlnt. Bogut could be doable but they wouldnt take on all that money unless they got barnes too. Then still might not.
     

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